You VENTURE to guess? Which is another way of saying you don't KNOW which is more stressful. I played for 8 years between High School and for the Marine Corps. Each position offers its own particular stresses on the joints. I suffered more sprained ligaments playing RB than I did S but also dislocated a knee cap playing WR. The recovery is there, its just going to be up to him to have confidence in the repaired ligaments.
Quote:RB & CB are different positions and I'd venture to guess that playing CB is more stressful on a knee than RB. You're generally always moving forward at the RB position, where at CB you're in backpedal, and switching to forward in mid-stream, then cutting to follow the WR, hard acceleration/ deceleration pending on the WR's route. The comparison using Peterson is not an equal one. Any successful CB recovery examples using the same 9 month time period?
Oh...as you like to ask for current examples: Chris Harris of the Broncos tore his ACL in the Divisional Playoffs in January and started week 1 in September (9 months). Darrelle Revis tore his ACL in September of 2012 and was cleared for full activity in May of 2013(8 months).
Crickets.....crickets.......
Quote:You VENTURE to guess? Which is another way of saying you don't KNOW which is more stressful. I played for 8 years between High School and for the Marine Corps. Each position offers its own particular stresses on the joints. I suffered more sprained ligaments playing RB than I did S but also dislocated a knee cap playing WR. The recovery is there, its just going to be up to him to have confidence in the repaired ligaments.
I played rb in high school as well as some semi pro and let me tell you, the toll that took on my legs was awful.
Quote:Oh...as you like to ask for current examples: Chris Harris of the Broncos tore his ACL in the Divisional Playoffs in January and started week 1 in September (9 months). Darrelle Revis tore his ACL in September of 2012 and was cleared for full activity in May of 2013(8 months).
Crickets.....crickets.......
The fact that he would even try to say a minimal contact position is worse on the knees than the running back position is all you need to know.
The dude has never played the game. He barely watches the game. It is just part of the agenda pushing. Him speaking to something he is completely ignorant about in a sad attempt to make Gus "badly" sound like he's over his head.
But he knows what he saw on TV. My first year at Lejeune our MLB was a starter at Nevada and our Tackle played at Nebraska during championship years. And they could HIT. I got blasted running a slant when my cleats caught in the grass. My kneecap was knocked into my thigh and the only thing that saved me from shredding everything was "remarkable tendon flexibility" per the doc.
Meanwhile naughty puppy says he "cant be in two places at one time" to argue his superior logic.
Quote:I played rb in high school as well as some semi pro and let me tell you, the toll that took on my legs was awful.
Now that he's been schooled, again, in yet another thread, he won't be back here. He'll run to a different thread with his tail tucked between his legs and start the spewing all over again. It's a sad existence.
Already has. Bill Obrien presser in AFC South forum. I treasure it because its making my day pass quicker.
not schooled.
As mentioned before....which position has seen more ligament tears when the player was untouched, CB or RB? You don't need to answer - I know I'm right here. I've seen many instances over the years of CB's tearing up their knees on mere cuts with no contact whatsover on the play. The vast majority of RB knee injuries usually occur with the aid of opponent contact.
My argument here is more about stress on the knee from the position BEFORE adding any outside influences such as contact from an opponent.
CB > RB
Provide names of CB's who've torn ACLs with no contact.
Quote:not schooled.
As mentioned before....which position has seen more ligament tears when the player was untouched, CB or RB? You don't need to answer - I know I'm right here. I've seen many instances over the years of CB's tearing up their knees on mere cuts with no contact whatsover on the play. The vast majority of RB knee injuries usually occur with the aid of opponent contact.
My argument here is more about stress on the knee from the position BEFORE adding any outside influences such as contact from an opponent.
CB > RB
there are also at least 2 CBs playing on defense at all times and the 2 main guys take more snaps per game than runningbacks.
so if that is even true that more cb than rb have knee injuries, the fact that there is a more abundant amount of them on the field and more playing time would directly correlate to the quantity.
Quote:Provide names of CB's who've torn ACLs with no contact.
and provide a list of RBs too.
Quote:Now that he's been schooled, again, in yet another thread, he won't be back here. He'll run to a different thread with his tail tucked between his legs and start the spewing all over again. It's a sad existence.
No, he just ignores the reality of any given situation and invents his own "reality." (Right on cue, I might add...)
Colvin will be limited participant in tomorrows practice.
How he progresses will be up to how
he progresses. Given this regimes track record, they've done very well bringing guys back from injury the right way. Up until the end of Sunday's game, we'd been major injury free. More healthy than we've been in quite a while, losing guys as early as we have in the recent past. This training staff is doing a very good job.
That's precisely the point I made earlier. Physically, the guy is most likely ready save for conditioning. However he needs to develop the confidence in the knee.
Quote:No, he just ignores the reality of any given situation and invents his own "reality." (Right on cue, I might add...)
Colvin will be limited participant in tomorrows practice.
How he progresses will be up to how he progresses. Given this regimes track record, they've done very well bringing guys back from injury the right way. Up until the end of Sunday's game, we'd been major injury free. More healthy than we've been in quite a while, losing guys as early as we have in the recent past. This training staff is doing a very good job.
Lets see, Frank Gore tore his at conditioning practice before his sophomore year. Then Jamal Charles tore his when he stepped wrong against the Lions.
just for the sake of numbers, ill use the texans as an example here for hilarious reasons in the other forum...but...
arian foster this year has taken 239 total snaps.
kareem jackson has taken 420
johnathan joseph has taken 346
so youre talking just starters, 239 snaps vs 766 snaps, obviously there are going to be more injuries to cornerbacks......
im surprised your genius IQ didnt already understand that, TMD
ACL injuries and their healing times have come a long ways over the past few years. It's no longer a 12+ injury for most guys.
I'm betting Colvin will be fine.
Quote:The University of Common Sense.
Colvin is only how recent from reconstructive knee surgery?...
Its reasonable to question the thinking of going too hasty with the return here. Initially it was widely assumed he'd have to be on IR the entirety of 2014.
I just think the bye week made more sense. Give him a few more weeks to take it slow and ease in to practice.
Not exactly sure why we're flaming TMD for this. Jaguars fans should know especially after seeing guys like Manuwai and Kampman try to come back too soon that major knee surgery isn't something you can rush back from. Colvin's recovery has been pretty remarkable and almost seemingly too good to be true. I really, really hope that the team is using the utmost caution with Colvin. We'll see what happens.
Granted, the Manuwai and Kampman situations were obviously different, but still. ACLs aren't typically something that a guy just comes back from after 9 months and doesn't miss a beat. I've seen people on here expecting Colvin to come in and become a shut down corner, which simply isn't realistic to expect at all. There's no telling if he'll ever even be the same player he was at Oklahoma.
reports coming in from practice. he's the next Revis. more at 11
Quote:Not exactly sure why we're flaming TMD for this. Jaguars fans should know especially after seeing guys like Manuwai and Kampman try to come back too soon that major knee surgery isn't something you can rush back from. Colvin's recovery has been pretty remarkable and almost seemingly too good to be true. I really, really hope that the team is using the utmost caution with Colvin. We'll see what happens.
Granted, the Manuwai and Kampman situations were obviously different, but still. ACLs aren't typically something that a guy just comes back from after 9 months and doesn't miss a beat. I've seen people on here expecting Colvin to come in and become a shut down corner, which simply isn't realistic to expect at all. There's no telling if he'll ever even be the same player he was at Oklahoma.
i actually forgot aaron kampman existed until now.
Quote:i actually forgot aaron kampman existed until now.
Well, never mind that it was his OTHER knee than the one that was hurt when they signed him.