Quote:LOL - in today's "I'm a better Republican than you!" climate Abraham Lincoln would be called a RINO.
Ted Cruz? I don't think America is in the market for another right-wing Texan for a while. Same goes for Rick Perry. And Romney is richer than either of them.
EDIT: I just saw Dakota say something positive about Cruz. That ought to convince you he has no chance.
Abraham Lincoln would be a democrat in today's political world he was big on a strong federal union.
As for Cruz I'm not sure he is even able to run he was born outside the country correct?
Who do you support for the nomination big guy?
Quote:Relatability matters to a lot of people. It's why George W. Bush, despite his failings, managed to beat John Kerry in the election. Democrats didn't realize "Anybody but Bush!" meant they had to put up someone who's actually likable. And John Kerry was not likable. Or relatable.
Republicans of course forgot this, and chose Mitt Romney to run against Obama in his second term (at which point, he's got plenty of experience in the first place)
George W. Bush did fairly well in the under $50k salary range because he came across as a little simple. (He learned this when he lost his first election in Texas because he was 'too smart')
Both sides are responsible for it turning into a popularity contest. With all their attack ads, rather than ads talking about their policies. You see it at most levels of politics. Every election you hear that "REPUBLICAN SENATOR DOESN'T SUPPORT WOMEN! THEY ARE PRO-LIFE EVEN IN CASES OF RAPE AND INCEST!" "DEMOCRATIC SENATOR AGREED WITH OBAMA 98% OF THE TIME!" It's much the way scare-scammers work, by trying to use fear tactics to get you to vote one way or the other.
Then you have simpleton statements like "SENATOR IS FOR JOB GROWTH!"
Well [BAD WORD REMOVED]. Here I was thinking Senator didn't want jobs to grow. Is there anybody that's going to say "I don't support Job Growth. I think we should move jobs overseas! Everybody should be fired" Well... anybody other than Joe Biden maybe?
Both sides do nothing but pander to their base. With the goal often being to get more voter turnout for your party than the other guy does. It's a waste of money, and I tell everyone that when they call here asking for campaign donations.
Of course most of this is the result of a two party system. Both sides can just pander to their base, because who else are you going to vote for? Gary Johnson? He doesn't stand a chance! It doesn't matter what his policies are. All that matters is that he can't win. And if you vote for him, you'll just be letting the Democrat/Republican win.
It'd also help if we actually had more education on issues like politics. Of course, I'm saying this in part because my wife teaches history, including a class on government and US/VA History. But I've always believed that History is an important subject, and that if we don't learn from our past, we'll be doomed to repeat it. The more our future generation knows about how the government works, the better off I think we'll be in the long run.
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You nailed it.
And the worst is, if you don't side yourself/affiliate with one party or the other, blowhards from
both parties will attack you. If you aren't democratic or republican enough then both sides hate you.
Quote:It's like the menu at a Scottish restaurant; not much in it and nothing you actually want.
This.
I honestly want either Ron Paul or Hillary. I think both of them will do a pretty solid job, even if they are ideologically a lot different.
Quote:Abraham Lincoln would be a democrat in today's political world he was big on a strong federal union.
As for Cruz I'm not sure he is even able to run he was born outside the country correct?
Who do you support for the nomination big guy?
You don't have to be born in the US to be President. You just have to be born a US citizen.
John McCain was born in Panama.
If it comes down to Jeb Bush vs Hilliary Clinton in 2016, I will have officially lost all faith in the political establishment of this Country. 24 out of the last 32 Presidential terms will have been divided between only two American families. That's not Democracy, and that sure as heck is not a Republic. That my friends...is an Oligarchy.
The irony behind all of this of course, is that the news media constantly criticizes Country's like Russia for having these oligarchical forms of Government, while at the same time; ignoring the undeniable fact that our Country is virtually becoming one itself.
Quote:You don't have to be born in the US to be President. You just have to be born a US citizen.
John McCain was born in Panama.
gotcha, makes sense.
Quote:Abraham Lincoln would be a democrat in today's political world he was big on a strong federal union.
As for Cruz I'm not sure he is even able to run he was born outside the country correct?
Who do you support for the nomination big guy?
I favor the former Indiana governor, but he's too smart (apparently) to get involved.
Knowing how stupid both political parties are it wouldn't surprise me to see both nominate right or left wing ideologues - Warren for the Dems and Cruz or Paul for the Repubs. It would be so easy to make Warren look like a Bolshevik and Cruz to look like a Klan Kleegle. Paul would spend his whole campaign have to explain away his loony old man.
Quote:One of the names left off of the Democrat list is Elizabeth Warren. If there ever was a worse candidate than our current President it would be her. There is a lot of support for her in the younger generation,....
The younger generation are generally a bunch of moronic sheep.
The sad truth of the matter is it seems that people (especially younger less-educated people) seem to vote for President based on a "popularity contest" rather than qualifications.
The younger generation base just about EVERYTHING on that. Its how they grew up and the behavior was enabled.
Quote:The younger generation base just about EVERYTHING on that. Its how they grew up and the behavior was enabled.
Lol you old buttgass.
Quote:You nailed it.
And the worst is, if you don't side yourself/affiliate with one party or the other, blowhards from both parties will attack you. If you aren't democratic or republican enough then both sides hate you.
So who do you like?
I'd vote Romney again if he ran. Of course that's based on what I know today and my opinion could change.
Quote:The younger generation base just about EVERYTHING on that. Its how they grew up and the behavior was enabled.
So you're saying your generation crapped the bed by not knowing how to properly raise children? Cool.
Quote:So who do you like?
I'd vote Romney again if he ran. Of course that's based on what I know today and my opinion could change.
Honestly, I care much less about the presedential election than I do about local and state politics. I'll let you know which 2016 POTUS candidate I like best when time gets closer.
Honestly, I don't think there's a politician out there that shares my views on some of the most important (to me) issues. That goes for the state level as well. Makes me feel like my vote is worth nothing.
Quote:Honestly, I don't think there's a politician out there that shares my views on some of the most important (to me) issues. That goes for the state level as well. Makes me feel like my vote is worth nothing.
I hear you. That's why I like looking at issues on a case by case basis rather than buying into a politician or party. Eric can criticize that all he wants, but I find it very logical.
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I hear you. That's why I like looking at issues on a case by case basis rather than buying into a politician or party. Eric can criticize that all he wants, but I find it very logical.
So on your case by case analysis who did you last vote for?
In 2008 I voted for McCain, in 2012 I didn't vote for a presidential candidate because I didn't care for anyone on the ballot.
"You did it wrong!" in 3...2...
Quote:In 2008 I voted for McCain, in 2012 I didn't vote for a presidential candidate because I didn't care for anyone on the ballot.
"You did it wrong!" in 3...2...
nope I was in the same boat as you. I voted McCain in 2008 and was planning on voting Gary Johnson in 2012 ended up voting Romney on the hopes we could at least avoid a 2nd Obama term.
edit: it was actually right after the 2012 election I started looking around and ended up switching to the Libertarian party. My disgust with the GOP just became to much to handle.
I'll change my registration back to the GOP for the primaries leading up to 2016 but then it's back to the Libertarian party for me.
Quote:So who do you like?
I'd vote Romney again
yeah....sure you did... I ain't buyin' it.
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Obama/ insert democrat here - all the way for people like you.
Quote:yeah....sure you did... I ain't buyin' it.
Obama/ insert democrat here - all the way for people like you.
What do you mean "people like him"? Jtmoney has sided with conservative ideas on this forum before, too.