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Quote:he is doing better than everyone else.

 

Is he?

 

Getting more sacks doesn't necessarily mean he's doing a better job rushing the passer.

 

The only one of his sacks I could find a highlight video for was the one against Foles that caused the second fumble, and in that case he'd been completely swallowed by the left tackle until Foles held the ball for more than four seconds and decided to move out of the pocket. At that point Branch can get to him. It was a great thing to see as a fan, but not an example of exceptional play.

I've always had high hopes for Branch. Maybe this is the year he makes a leap forward. Maybe he never does. I haven't really seen any noticeable improvement in his pass rushing ability just yet, be he is at least doing what he's supposed to do out there most of the time which, unfortunately, is more than you can say for a number of other guys on this defense. 

 

I hope we get to finally see Branch just flat out beat his guy and get to the QB without it requiring great coverage/extra time.  I'll hold out on "star in the making" until I see that. 

When has this secondary been accused of great coverage this year? I've never seen one individual's sacks been dissected more than Branch's own. Most do the same with Bortles saying he's only done it against twos or threes. Many even count his almost interceptions as INT's. If all of Branch's sacks are from "great coverage" then why don't others have as many as him or more?

Quote:When has this secondary been accused of great coverage this year? I've never seen one individual's sacks been dissected more than Branch's own. Most do the same with Bortles saying he's only done it against twos or threes. Many even count his almost interceptions as INT's. If all of Branch's sacks are from "great coverage" then why don't others have as many as him or more?

Couldn't have said it better myself.

Quote:When has this secondary been accused of great coverage this year? I've never seen one individual's sacks been dissected more than Branch's own. Most do the same with Bortles saying he's only done it against twos or threes. Many even count his almost interceptions as INT's. If all of Branch's sacks are from "great coverage" then why don't others have as many as him or more?

 

Great coverage was a poor choice of words.  All of his sacks obviously haven't been that way   - I certainly never said that all of his sacks were from coverage and it has no relevance to others having more or less.  He gets pressure and he's doing well - but I don't know that it's significantly better than what we saw at the end of last season.  

 

I'm happy he's getting the sacks  - but if you haven't noticed the the vast majority of sacks have occurred when the QB held the ball a bit too long or Branch was unblocked/stunting, then you haven't paid attention. 

 

All I'm saying is I would have to see him make a move to get by the tackle without one of those factors aiding the sack before I start the "star in the making" talk.  The "star" defensive ends all show the ability to do that.  I don't think that's unreasonable. 

Guys, you're missing the point...


Branch is just getting the easy coverage sacks because he's bad.


The reason no one else has gotten those easy coverage sacks is because they're better than him. Make sense now?

Oklahomie, what about branch's sack last week?


Was that also a coverage sack or a stunt?

Quote:Meaningless sacks. I've heard it all now.

Exactly.  These guys nitpick anything that does not fit their agenda

Quote:Is he?

 

Getting more sacks doesn't necessarily mean he's doing a better job rushing the passer.

 

The only one of his sacks I could find a highlight video for was the one against Foles that caused the second fumble, and in that case he'd been completely swallowed by the left tackle until Foles held the ball for more than four seconds and decided to move out of the pocket. At that point Branch can get to him. It was a great thing to see as a fan, but not an example of exceptional play.

 

ok but who eventually made the play? branch or someone else?

 

right, it was branch........

 

edit: now that i have had time to think about it, youre right. branch should have the sack taken away because he didnt get there sooner.... in fact, he should have just let foles make a play since he took too long to get there.

Quote:Getting more sacks doesn't necessarily mean he's doing a better job rushing the passer.

Wow.  I'm scratching my head and can't believe some of the logic here on the Jaguars message board. 

 

Quote:Exactly.  These guys nitpick anything that does not fit their agenda

 

I don't have an agenda. I've been a Branch supporter all along, have never bashed him and have disagreed with many of the negative takes on him over the past 2 years.  I can even stomach his windmill dance as long as we aren't down by 30 points.   I sincerely just think he has yet to show the ability shown by the DE's that people call "stars."  It's great that he's effective this year and I hope it continues and improves. I never negated any of his sacks and I think he's made some great plays this year. I'm excited about his potential. 

 

It would just be great to see him shed the block quickly and get to the QB.   I haven't seen him do that yet. The top tier pass rushers do that.   I'm not even saying he can't do it.  I wouldn't be surprised if this is the year that it comes together for him.  So far I see him being very effective - but nothing he's done is "star" material IMO.  I don't see what's wrong with that take. 

I guess if you don't think Branch is the next great thing then you're just a hater.


I'm sure PFF or one of those analytic sites have the info, but I wouldn't be surprised if all the sacks Branch has this year the QB held the ball 4 seconds or longer.


He has 0 hurries this year. That's beyond bad and shows more of what a pass rusher he has been so far.


I guess everybody looks at the stat line and comes to the conclusion he has been awesome.


If anybody here said Henne had a good game vs. Philly just by looking at the box score they would have been ripped to shreds. Double standard, no?


I think he's a nice rotational player, but needs to show A LOT more to even be considered a starter.

Quote:Meaningless sacks. I've heard it all now.

 

Well, not as meaningless as meaningless touchdowns, but you know how it that goes. 

Quote:I don't have an agenda. I've been a Branch supporter all along, have never bashed him and have disagreed with many of the negative takes on him over the past 2 years.  I can even stomach his windmill dance as long as we aren't down by 30 points.   I sincerely just think he has yet to show the ability shown by the DE's that people call "stars."  It's great that he's effective this year and I hope it continues and improves. I never negated any of his sacks and I think he's made some great plays this year. I'm excited about his potential. 

 

It would just be great to see him shed the block quickly and get to the QB.   I haven't seen him do that yet. The top tier pass rushers do that.   I'm not even saying he can't do it.  I wouldn't be surprised if this is the year that it comes together for him.  So far I see him being very effective - but nothing he's done is "star" material IMO.  I don't see what's wrong with that take. 

8 sacks in 11 games.  He is playing at a high level right now.

 

I don't care if he tip toes to the QB but a sack is a sack regardless.  

 

I don't know any DE"s who got in the HOF or probowel on hurries or technique.  The sack total is all that matters.

Quote:Meaningless sacks. I've heard it all now.

 

lol, yeah, as bad as the defense has played for the most part this season, it seems it's even tougher for them to get any credit when they actually do make a play.

 

lol, meaningless sacks.

 

I wonder if they also consider BB 2 TD throws while down 30 points, meaningless TDs?

 

I mean, they did come while the team was down by 30 with absolutely no chance to win the game.

 

I know they would consider them meaningless if Henne had thrown them, so I don't even need to ask that question.

Quote:I guess if you don't think Branch is the next great thing then you're just a hater.


I'm sure PFF or one of those analytic sites have the info, but I wouldn't be surprised if all the sacks Branch has this year the QB held the ball 4 seconds or longer.


He has 0 hurries this year. That's beyond bad and shows more of what a pass rusher he has been so far.


I guess everybody looks at the stat line and comes to the conclusion he has been awesome.


If anybody here said Henne had a good game vs. Philly just by looking at the box score they would have been ripped to shreds. Double standard, no?


I think he's a nice rotational player, but needs to show A LOT more to even be considered a starter.

Not many are calling him a star.


What did you say after his sack of Luck on 3rd down which made them kick a field goal?

Quote:Great coverage was a poor choice of words.  All of his sacks obviously haven't been that way   - I certainly never said that all of his sacks were from coverage and it has no relevance to others having more or less.  He gets pressure and he's doing well - but I don't know that it's significantly better than what we saw at the end of last season.  

 

I'm happy he's getting the sacks  - but if you haven't noticed the the vast majority of sacks have occurred when the QB held the ball a bit too long or Branch was unblocked/stunting, then you haven't paid attention. 

 

All I'm saying is I would have to see him make a move to get by the tackle without one of those factors aiding the sack before I start the "star in the making" talk.  The "star" defensive ends all show the ability to do that.  I don't think that's unreasonable. 

 

Well the majority, if not all, of the sacks on Henne were also because the QB held the ball too long or someone was unblocked/stunted.

 

I bet none of those players who got the sacks on Henne consider them meaningless.

 

I sure don't.

Quote:Well the majority, if not all, of the sacks on Henne were also because the QB held the ball too long or someone was unblocked/stunted.

 

I bet none of those players who got the sacks on Henne consider them meaningless.

 

I sure don't.

They released Bradfield for being beaten like a drum on two of those sacks.  Not sure how it's relevant, but that happened.  

 

By the way - I never used the word meaningless. In fact I clearly stated that I didn't negate any of his sacks and credited his good play. You have me confused with someone else apparently. 

Quote:Is he?

 

Getting more sacks doesn't necessarily mean he's doing a better job rushing the passer.

 

The only one of his sacks I could find a highlight video for was the one against Foles that caused the second fumble, and in that case he'd been completely swallowed by the left tackle until Foles held the ball for more than four seconds and decided to move out of the pocket. At that point Branch can get to him. It was a great thing to see as a fan, but not an example of exceptional play.

You should be a scout. You have a excellent eye for talent