Quote:That is part of the reason why this is frustrating fans. This was a good opportunity to break out the Bortles, but instead we will likely have to wait until the Pittsburg game before they consider it again, and by that time the season will be practically lost. That does not compute with a lot of people.
How much more ready is the kid going to be in a matter of 2-3 weeks?
With the lack of cohesiveness on the offensive line, I'm for holding him out for as long as possible to assure that we've got a line set and improving. We'll start 2 new guys this week, and when Pasztor gets back, that will be yet another change to the configuration of the line. It takes time for that unit to gel. I don't think they need to be pro bowl caliber, but I don't think anyone wants to see our rookie QB lining up this week behind that line. The same people demanding the team put in Bortles now would be crucifying the team if they ceded to their wishes and put him out there only to see him get hurt.
I completely understand the frustration of watching Henne play while there is a much more talented (albeit probably still raw) QB on the sideline.
I also understand a fans right to BOO if they so choose.
But, imagine for a second that you are Blake Bortles (the franchise QB in waiting). What would be going through your mind while during the first home game, your own fans are incessantly BOO-ing your teammate while he's out there giving his all (even if he constantly struggles).
Would you be disgusted, upset, willing, or excited?
IDK how I'd feel. How bout you? Just a thought.
Quote:With the lack of cohesiveness on the offensive line, I'm for holding him out for as long as possible to assure that we've got a line set and improving. We'll start 2 new guys this week, and when Pasztor gets back, that will be yet another change to the configuration of the line. It takes time for that unit to gel. I don't think they need to be pro bowl caliber, but I don't think anyone wants to see our rookie QB lining up this week behind that line. The same people demanding the team put in Bortles now would be crucifying the team if they ceded to their wishes and put him out there only to see him get hurt.
One could argue that Henne repeatedly sacking himself will only cause more confidence issues for the offensive line, making them worse as we go along. Put in Bortles and you might see immediate improvement due to simple pocket movement and awareness.
Quote:Ive actually supported this new regime mostly.. but there is plenty to be upset about as well. How does trading monroe away instead of paying him when we have the second most or most cap space in the league look now? How does not signing a free agent center look? And d9nt bring up mack. They made him an offer after everyone was long signed leaving zero room for plan B.. plan B didnt even make the roster. Overall i still trust these guys but there is zero wr9ng with any9ne being upset or sick and tired of waiting.. that time has long passed to be patient and you telling people to be patient or putting those down who want to boo is pathetic.. this team deserves every damn boo it gets. THAT is the truth
I think the team did make a mistake in not bringing in a veteran center. I think they would probably admit as much if you asked them.
But with Monroe you don't pay him just because you can if you don't feel he is worth the money.
Quote:I completely understand the frustration of watching Henne play while there is a much more talented (albeit probably still raw) QB on the sideline.
I also understand a fans right to BOO if they so choose.
But, imagine for a second that you are Blake Bortles (the franchise QB in waiting). What would be going through your mind while during the first home game, your own fans are incessantly BOO-ing your teammate while he's out there giving his all (even if he constantly struggles).
Would you be disgusted, upset, willing, or excited?
IDK how I'd feel. How bout you? Just a thought.
If this was an attempt to keep people from booing, it wont work. They're coming.
Quote:So, basically you're saying that all the complaining on call in shows, on the message board, and anywhere else that matters hasn't forced the team to sway their position, but me pointing that out is my opinion and not fact? I think the fact that Henne is still the starter backs up my point pretty effectively, and I can guarantee it's not going to change a thing on Sunday when the luminaries boo the starting QB for nothing more than being on the field.
My comment was about khans reaction to Gus's decision for Sunday and if it will have an affect on his opinion of starting Henne on opening day.
Quote:Ive actually supported this new regime mostly.. but there is plenty to be upset about as well. How does trading monroe away instead of paying him when we have the second most or most cap space in the league look now? How does not signing a free agent center look? And d9nt bring up mack. They made him an offer after everyone was long signed leaving zero room for plan B.. plan B didnt even make the roster. Overall i still trust these guys but there is zero wr9ng with any9ne being upset or sick and tired of waiting.. that time has long passed to be patient and you telling people to be patient or putting those down who want to boo is pathetic.. this team deserves every damn boo it gets. THAT is the truth
When did Monroe become this top tier tackle? I've watched him in Baltimore, and he's still Eugene Monroe. We weren't going to pay him LT money to play RT, and that's exactly what was going to happen here.
Don't bring up Mack? The Jags went after the best option in free agency and just didn't have deep enough pockets to top anything Cleveland was willing to pay him. Yeah, we should ignore the fact that they made an aggressive move to address center and failed.
They drafted a guy that they expect to be their center long term. He's starting this weekend. If they saw a better option out there in free agency, they would have pursued it.
That time has long passed? We're basically 18 months into a 3 year rebuild. The expectation this year as expressed by the team was to show improvement and to be more competitive. We're 2 games into the season. I know patience isn't something you would EVER subscribe to because that would defeat your usual knee jerk approach to things, but it's a 16 game schedule. There's a LOT of football left to be played this year, and plenty of opportunity for this front office to meet or even exceed their expectations this year. You're more than welcome to make yourself look foolish by booing the team, or making a joke of yourself. Nobody is stopping you from doing so. Just don't get offended when people point it out.
Quote:I think the team did make a mistake in not bringing in a veteran. I think they would probably admit as much if you asked them.
But with Monroe you don't pay him just because you can if you don't feel he is worth the money.
He was as good as gone when they drafted Joeckel. Which seemed odd considering we already had a decent LT.
Quote:One could argue that Henne repeatedly sacking himself will only cause more confidence issues for the offensive line, making them worse as we go along. Put in Bortles and you might see immediate improvement due to simple pocket movement and awareness.
Right, because Henne is constantly sacking himself. They've got no blame in that at all, right?
Quote:Nobody is saying it's rocket science. But, it's not as simple as just throwing the player out there. Bradley is adamant that he is going to bring Bortles along with as little pressure and anxiety as possible. Everyone here knew he was going to be a project to deal with mechanics and adjusting to the speed of the NFL game. He was also going to have to learn the playbook. So, when they saw the strides he made from draft day to the preseason, they suddenly abandoned the notion of supporting this process and demanded the team rush Bortles out there despite the fact that everything to date indicates their approach has been nothing but a benefit to Bortles development.
You can watch a game and make basic decisions. Good for you. If that's all you think it takes to run an NFL team, send them your resume.
Can't put pressure and anxiety on the most important position in sports. Let's all sit in a circle and sing Kumbaya! We obviously have no problems getting other rookies in there to learn from their mistakes. I can tell you the only thing he's learning while on the bench is what not to do.
Quote:I think the team did make a mistake in not bringing in a veteran center. I think they would probably admit as much if you asked them.
But with Monroe you don't pay him just because you can if you don't feel he is worth the money.
Exactly. Nobody here was lauding the outstanding play of Monroe until he was gone. Then suddenly he was this force of nature that we couldn't stand to lose. He wasn't worth the kind of money he was going to command as a starting LT in the league, so the team made the best of a situation and traded him away. Long term it didn't hurt this team one bit.
Quote:Can't put pressure and anxiety on the most important position in sports. Let's all sit in a circle and sing Kumbaya! We obviously have no problems getting other rookies in there to learn from their mistakes. I can tell you the only thing he's learning while on the bench is what not to do.
If you can't recognize the difference between a QB and other rookies playing other positions, this conversation is pointless.
Quote:Right, because Henne is constantly sacking himself. They've got no blame in that at all, right?
So you don't buy the 6/10 sacks were on Henne?
This would mean you go against Lageman.
Quote:He was as good as gone when they drafted Joeckel. Which seemed odd considering we already had a decent LT.
They probably did not want to pay 7-8 million a year to a "decent LT"
Quote:If you can't recognize the difference between a QB and other rookies playing other positions, this conversation is pointless.
We're starting a rookie center. He's calling the protections for the line! Obviously, no problem with that.
Quote:They probably did not want to pay 7-8 million a year to a "decent LT"
Well I don't want a worthless Oline either
Quote:They probably did not want to pay 7-8 million a year to a "decent LT"
Maybe they should rethink that strategy. At least we'd have 1 decent starter on the line.
Quote:So you don't buy the 6/10 sacks were on Henne?
This would mean you go against Lageman.
No, I don't agree with Lageman. I've seen more than enough other outlets who have attributed 2-4 of the sacks on Henne, not 6.
Quote:Maybe they should rethink that strategy. At least we'd have 1 decent starter on the line.
If you were the one on the hook for the contact or the one writing the check, you'd likely feel differently.
Quote:No, I don't agree with Lageman. I've seen more than enough other outlets who have attributed 2-4 of the sacks on Henne, not 6.
Is 2-4 considered good then?