People underrate what Russell Wilson does for that team. He's a good passer, he's mobile, throws well on the run, great off the field, solid leader, smart kid, the only thing he's missing from "elite" is height. The kid has been underrated since before the draft and it only continues now.
If he was 6'4 the guy would be considered one of the top few QBs in football.
The consensus top QBs in the NFL are Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, Aaron Rogers, and Tom Brady.
Russell Wilson's record against them?
6-0
Quote:Lets be real. Wilson had about as much to do with winning that SB and Dilfer did in 2000. Not saying Wilson is on Dilfer's level, but Wilson certainly isn't an elite QB and hasn't made those throws that wow you. He is also very inaccurate on his deep balls.
I like Wilson. He is my FF QB, but I also grabbed him in the 10th round.
Also, SEA has a corner that Aaron "Freaking" Rodgers didn't throw at ONE time. ONE time.
No one who has sat and watched Wilson for the last two seasons would ever say something that absurd. That's a conclusion you get from the stat line, not the game tape.
Quote:The consensus top QBs in the NFL are Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, Aaron Rogers, and Tom Brady.
Russell Wilson's record against them?
6-0
Nothing personal, basis4day, but I find these "QB match-up" posts comical when they show up. (there were many in the college forum leading up to the draft this year)
It's really meaningless. How they do against top ranked defenses means something. How they fare with a good QB on the other team means nothing.
I like Wilson and I think he has what it takes to be mentioned with those guys ^ in your post eventually. But he's not quite there just yet. He might be there very soon, IMO.
Quote:I was surprised with how easily the Seahawks put down GB. If Jax played Sea, the score would probably be about the same as last night's in Seattle's favor.
You realize that translates into the Jaguars are as good as Green Bay, which prompts me to ask:
Have you sustained a blunt force trauma to the head recently?
Quote:Nothing personal, basis4day, but I find these "QB match-up" posts comical when they show up. (there were many in the college forum leading up to the draft this year)
It's really meaningless. How they do against top ranked defenses means something. How they fare with a good QB on the other team means nothing.
I like Wilson and I think he has what it takes to be mentioned with those guys ^ in your post eventually. But he's not quite there just yet. He might be there very soon, IMO.
It's still pretty impressive that RW is 6-0 against the other top 4 QB's in the league, esp since he is younger then all of them.
Yes, he's on what looks like the best team in the NFL right now, and as we all know, football is the ultimate team game.
Whenever there is a big game between 2 good teams, they usually show the head to head record when showing the stats, and the QB's record against each other.
Does it mean that he is better then all those other QB's, of course not.
While he is very good, I wouldn't consider him elite yet myself. Elite status is only reserved for a select few and is very hard to reach.
What he does seem to have is some pretty good coaches around him who will help him get even better as he plays more and more.
Of course with RW, they have some really good talent to work with, so it goes both ways.
Quote:It's still pretty impressive that RW is 6-0 against the other top 4 QB's in the league, esp since he is younger then all of them.
I respectfully disagree. I find it pretty
interesting. Not necessarily impressive. His overall success and number of TD passes as a rookie are impressive. But "vs Brees" or rather vs the only highly ranked pass defense of the 4 -- he threw for 103 yds and 0 TDs.
The rest of them ranked 18th, 24th and 27th. I really think the opposing QB doesn't matter unless Aaron Rodgers comes out on defense and rushes the passer or drops back in coverage.
Tom Brady sitting on the bench while Wilson plays a good game doesn't make his good game any more impressive. Just my opinion...
Quote:The consensus top QBs in the NFL are Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, Aaron Rogers, and Tom Brady.
Russell Wilson's record against them?
6-0
Russell Wilson is not 6-0 against the other QB's. The team, of which Russell Wilson is a part, (arguably, a relatively less significant part than the other QB's) is 6-0 against the other teams.
One thing that always gets overlooked about DangerRuss is that he is probably the best quarterback in the league at protecting the football. Not only is he great when behind by four with less than two minutes to go, he is even better at grinding you to death, as we saw last night. If you need a turnover to get back in the game against the Seahawks, you ar S...O...L.
Another thing people forget is the Wilson has the biggest comeback in Seattle Seahawks history against Tampa Bay last year. IIRC he also has the 2nd biggest against the Texans.
Also, he has NEVER lost a game by more than 8 points, while having the football and driving in the last two minutes of all those games.
Oh, and he has won more games than any other quarterback in NFL history at this stage of his career.
Quote:the seahawks are better in every facet right now. its not close. their depth makes the gap bigger.
wilson is really undervalued by some poster here. they dont throw the ball 40 times a game so you dont see eye popping numbers, but he commands the offense very well. extremely cool under pressure. he actually didnt even look that sharp last night but normally his accuracy is ridiculous. when he rolls out of the pocket hes dangerous. anytime he decides to tuck it and run hes dangerous and he also is a very quick decision maker with a quick release.
seattle does not win the superbowl without him.
Quote:People underrate what Russell Wilson does for that team. He's a good passer, he's mobile, throws well on the run, great off the field, solid leader, smart kid, the only thing he's missing from "elite" is height. The kid has been underrated since before the draft and it only continues now.
If he was 6'4 the guy would be considered one of the top few QBs in football.
Agree with both of you.
I could agree if someone would say Wilson alone wouldn't win 24 games and Super Bowl in first 2 seasons without a great defense and run game around him. Our team is just buld this way and it's not his fault he doesn't need to throw for 300+ yards to win every game. He just do what he needs to do and is one of the most effective QBs in the game. It's also hard to argue against 52 passing TD (tied record with the great Peyton Manning) and Wilson being the first QB in Super Bowl era to have a 100+ passer rating in both of his first 2 seasons in the league. He's also the only QB alongside Peyton with 100+ rating in last two seasons both inside and outside the pocket.
Quote:Outside of the balls to throw it.
I love Wilson he almost came to my college team the year after Cam left. I understood when he went to Wisconsin because we were building. I did a LOT of studying of his motion and mainly the way he moved in the pocket. I thought he was worthy of a second round pick on which people laughed at me.
He is much better than I thought and believe it or not I think he is a top 5 QB in the league because of his movement. GREAT GUY TO!
Bortles is what you want out of a QB size wise and throwing motion has some work to do. He has it...just like Wilson.I have a feeling they will be seeing each other in a SB or 2 down the road.
Cheers :devil: :devil:
Quote:The consensus top QBs in the NFL are Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, Aaron Rogers, and Tom Brady.
Russell Wilson's record against them?
6-0
This is an awful statistic to use in trying to classify Wilson as an elite QB. Brady has always been an awful corner.
Quote:I respectfully disagree. I find it pretty interesting. Not necessarily impressive. His overall success and number of TD passes as a rookie are impressive. But "vs Brees" or rather vs the only highly ranked pass defense of the 4 -- he threw for 103 yds and 0 TDs.
The rest of them ranked 18th, 24th and 27th. I really think the opposing QB doesn't matter unless Aaron Rodgers comes out on defense and rushes the passer or drops back in coverage.
Tom Brady sitting on the bench while Wilson plays a good game doesn't make his good game any more impressive. Just my opinion...
So you find it interesting, but unimpressive, that he has a record of 6-0 against 4, elite and probably HOF QB's?
I know TB and PM are getting old and while still very very good, probably not as great as they were in their prime.
Manning's and Brees' offense is definitely better than RW's, but Seattle's defense is better than all 4 of those teams.
Rodgers is arguably the best QB in the game and is considered elite and is a better all around QB than RW at this time, and TB is , well, TB, a multiple SB winning QB, although not what he once was.
Even with a great defense like Seattle has, RW still has to play good (make plays) to win, he just doesn't have to carry the team, like a QB with a weak defense would have to do.
I don't think you can just plug any old QB on Seattle and they would win as many games as RW has these past 2 seasons.
There are a lot of bad, below average, mistake-prone QB's out there that would not win as many games as RW has, if they started for Seattle.
RW just has to be decent or good to win, he doesn't have to be elite.
Quote:This is an awful statistic to use in trying to classify Wilson as an elite QB. Brady has always been an awful corner.
Does anybody out there think RW is "elite"?
I don't think most people would consider him elite.
Quote:So you find it interesting, but unimpressive, that he has a record of 6-0 against 4, elite and probably HOF QB's?
Yes. I'm surprised you don't see the point. I have no gripe with Wilson. He's very, very good and likely to be great in short order. His record against Qbs simply doesn't matter to me. His record against top rated defenses does.
He did enough to help his team win against those QBs - but he didn't defend their passes and they didn't defend his. It's very simple. Please, just agree to disagree on the significance of what I think is a meaningless stat - one that you obviously feel differently about. We can surely just move on in disagreement, no?
Quote:Yes. I'm surprised you don't see the point. I have no gripe with Wilson. He's very, very good and likely to be great in short order. His record against Qbs simply doesn't matter to me. His record against top rated defenses does.
He did enough to help his team win against those QBs - but he didn't defend their passes and they didn't defend his. It's very simple. Please, just agree to disagree on the significance of what I think is a meaningless stat - one that you obviously feel differently about. We can surely just move on in disagreement, no?
Yes, we can surely move on.
I suppose when you get right down to match ups in an NFL game, it will always be the QB and the offense vs the opponent's defense.
Right now Seattle's defense is great and they make it tough on opposing QB's even the great ones.
Switch the 2 QB's in the GB vs Sea game. I still see Seattle winning the game
What about the last SB, DEN vs SEA? Switch the QB's there and I see PM getting his 2nd SB win, bit I guess really we will never know.
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What about the last SB, DEN vs SEA? Switch the QB's there and I see PM getting his 2nd SB win, bit I guess really we will never know.
That's a very interesting question. Assuming Peyton would be running the current playbook with Seattle presents a wrinkle or two. 20% of that playbook would have to be scrapped to accommodate an immobile QB. But - as much as I like Wilson and his mobility - I think that Seattle D would still be too much to overcome. For any QB.
Perhaps if you could put a bioengineered superhuman behind center for the Broncos that had Brady's arm and timing with Vick's scrambling ability, then maybe.....
:teehee:
The thought of Frankeneck running the read option in Seattle is comic gold worthy of Fran Caliendo play by play. Richard Sherman would make him cry all over his red shirt in practice.
Quote:The thought of Frankeneck running the read option in Seattle is comic gold worthy of Fran Caliendo play by play. Richard Sherman would make him cry all over his red shirt in practice.
lol, that actually is a funny thought.