Quote:No substance. I don't believe you can back any of that up.
In 2008, the FBI concluded that 765,000 sworn police officers (now at approximately 900,000) were employed at 18,000 different departments. The officers shot and kill 410 people that year. Non-law enforcement killed 310. Considering that officers have more interactions with violent criminals on a more frequent basis, that number isn't high at all. For example, the Bureau of Justice estimates that approximately 45 million police encounters occur every year between civilians and law enforcement. From those 45 million, approximately 400 people die every year. That number has stayed around 400 every year since about mid-1990s. Considering population growth, the total percentage of police-involved shootings has decreased overwhelmingly.
In 2013, there were over 58,000+ attacks on police. Over 15,000 resulted in injuries.
They also concluded that less than 1/10 of 1% of all use-of-force was deemed unjustified or excessive.
From 1999 - 2011, more white people were killed by police (2151) versus black people (1130). Considering that minority neighborhoods, in particular black neighborhoods, have the highest crime percentage, then it shouldn't be all that surprising that police are more likely to shoot and kill you than the total percentage of the population you represent.
The county that I work in provided a detailed map of crime statistics. The overwhelming trend shows that black people are stealing, robbing, burglarizing, and murdering their own communities more than anyone else. When you do that to your own community, of course police are going to interact with you more often. More police interactions with criminals usually result in more dangerous situations.
So, please. Explain why police are targeting black men.
Instead of blaming the easy target, how about focusing on accountability?
Why police are targeting black men? Its simple racial profiling when a officer randomly asks for your ID without probable cause and when you refuse you are subject to arrest for obstruction of justice.
"Instead of blaming the easy target, how about focusing on accountability".
LOL, How can I be more accountable by having a clean record, but pulled over for driving in a neighborhood where "I dont belong"?
Quote:The county that I work in provided a detailed map of crime statistics. The overwhelming trend shows that black people are stealing, robbing, burglarizing, and murdering their own communities more than anyone else. When you do that to your own community, of course police are going to interact with you more often. More police interactions with criminals usually result in more dangerous situations.
So every single black person in the county you work in have either stolen, rob, murdered, or committed a burglary?
Do you have a link?
Quote:So every single black person in the county you work in have either stolen, rob, murdered, or committed a burglary?
Do you have a link?
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Where did he say that? It sure wasn't in the part that you quoted.
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Where did he say that? It sure wasn't in the part that you quoted.
He incorrectly generalized an entire race.
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The county that I work in provided a detailed map of crime statistics. The overwhelming trend shows that black people are stealing, robbing, burglarizing, and murdering their own communities more than anyone else. When you do that to your own community, of course police are going to interact with you more often. More police interactions with criminals usually result in more dangerous situations.
Quote:He incorrectly generalized an entire race.
Not if that's what the trend shows in his county.
I didn't take it as he was saying that to be Nationwide, more area wide.
Quote:Not if that's what the trend shows in his county.
I didn't take it as he was saying that to be Nationwide, more area wide.
Correct.
Which leads me back to the original question.
Is there a link that he can provide of every single black person in the county he works in that has committed a crime?
Quote:He incorrectly generalized an entire race.
Calling a statistical trend a generalization amounts to little more than race hustling.
How would you convey those statistics in a way that wouldn't come across as offensive? They are simple statistics. Just because they don't support your argument doesn't make them a racist thing.
Quote:Correct.
Which leads me back to the original question.
Is there a link that he can provide of every single black person in the county he works in that has committed a crime?
He never once insinuated that it was EVERY SINGLE person. You injected that on your own accord.
Quote:Calling a statistical trend a generalization amounts to little more than race hustling.
How would you convey those statistics in a way that wouldn't come across as offensive? They are simple statistics. Just because they don't support your argument doesn't make them a racist thing.
Its a generalization if the person cant separate the categories, like using "some". Its has nothing to do with race hustling, just simple common sense.
For the record, I never said his generalization was offensive to me, I just simply said he was incorrect. Since he didn't marginalize those statistics, he left open the interpretation for someone to believe he is referring to a race in its entirety.
Quote:He never once insinuated that it was EVERY SINGLE person. You injected that on your own accord.
We will see once he modifies his comment then.
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We will see once he modifies his comment then.
What's to modify? What you claim he said is in fact not what he said.
Quote:So what did he say then?
The comments you are asking about are his comment #40 in this thread. You insinuated that he said "ALL" in post #42. Nothing is edited in either.
Quote:The comments you are asking about are his comment #40 in this thread. You insinuated that he said "ALL" in post #42. Nothing is edited in either.
That's how I interpreted his comment.
He's more than welcome to clarify it if he wants, then again he dosent have to either.
If he chooses the latter, then I will stand by my earlier stance which is he made a incorrect generalization simple as that.
Quote:That's how I interpreted his comment.
He's more than welcome to clarify it if he wants, then again he dosent have to either.
If he chooses the latter, then I will stand by my earlier stance which is he made a incorrect generalization simple as that.
In his county the map showed high crime in black neighborhoods what is so confusing about his statement?
Your trying to spin it into a racial issue he didn't say not imply everyone in that neighborhood committed a crime. You've got to stop this race baiting it doesn't help your cause.
Quote:In his county the map showed high crime in black neighborhoods what is so confusing about his statement?
Your trying to spin it into a racial issue he didn't say not imply everyone in that neighborhood committed a crime. You've got to stop this race baiting it doesn't help your cause.
"Race baiting".....really?
Because im asking for a simple clarification on a statement that could have been limited specifically to a number of people by just simply including the word "some", now is turned into me "spinning" something "into a racial issue", and "race baiting".
Your comment just proves my point with the problems SOME people have in this country when it comes to discussing race topics with different points of views.
I am interpreting things from my own point of view, and just asked for clarification. Am I allowed to do that?
Accusing someone of "race baiting" is really petty and distracts from the question or clarification I was seeking.
If you are looking to try and start some sort of flame war regarding race discussions, you should try that tactic with someone else.
Quote:Why police are targeting black men? Its simple racial profiling when a officer randomly asks for your ID without probable cause and when you refuse you are subject to arrest for obstruction of justice.
"Instead of blaming the easy target, how about focusing on accountability".
LOL, How can I be more accountable by having a clean record, but pulled over for driving in a neighborhood where "I dont belong"?
What kind of example is that? Has it happened before? Sure. Does it happen frequently? No, absolutely not.
As for you second comment, I'm not qualified to answer that question. I wasn't there, so I don't know what happened or why it was said. I can tell you that if you're in a place with high drug-activity and certain factors come into play, then that is sufficient probable cause to stop and question you even without committing a crime. I don't know if those conditions were met, so your question is irrelevant to the conversation. He doesn't have to explain those to you, either.
Quote:So every single black person in the county you work in have either stolen, rob, murdered, or committed a burglary?
Do you have a link?
You know I didn't mean every single black person. You were quick to judgement.
The fact is that black people victimize their own people far more often than any exaggerated claims of police brutality and statistics show that.
Quote:He incorrectly generalized an entire race.
No, I didn't. It would be accurate to say that you incorrectly inferred that I meant all black people. Would it be more foolish to assume I actually meant every black person or to actually think every black person fit into the category you claim I meant?
Quote:"Race baiting".....really?
Because im asking for a simple clarification on a statement that could have been limited specifically to a number of people by just simply including the word "some", now is turned into me "spinning" something "into a racial issue", and "race baiting".
Your comment just proves my point with the problems SOME people have in this country when it comes to discussing race topics with different points of views.
I am interpreting things from my own point of view, and just asked for clarification. Am I allowed to do that?
Accusing someone of "race baiting" is really petty and distracts from the question or clarification I was seeking.
If you are looking to try and start some sort of flame war regarding race discussions, you should try that tactic with someone else.
You didn't "just ask" for clarification.
You made an incorrect assumption about something that didn't need clarification in an attempt to invalidate my comment. You other comments prove as much.
Meanwhile, you're unable or unwilling to provide a response to any of my points. Now, if you want to address a certain topic, then feel free to bring that one up. But, when you make that absurd claim, then what could be a legitimate conversation turns into foolishness
Quote:"Race baiting".....really?
Because im asking for a simple clarification on a statement that could have been limited specifically to a number of people by just simply including the word "some", now is turned into me "spinning" something "into a racial issue", and "race baiting".
Your comment just proves my point with the problems SOME people have in this country when it comes to discussing race topics with different points of views.
I am interpreting things from my own point of view, and just asked for clarification. Am I allowed to do that?
Accusing someone of "race baiting" is really petty and distracts from the question or clarification I was seeking.
If you are looking to try and start some sort of flame war regarding race discussions, you should try that tactic with someone else.
Lol I'm one of the few on here that argues police do use to much force. But, you trying to frame his statement as racist because he acknowledges the fact that crime in his specific county is concentrated in black neighborhoods is race baiting.
Quote:Lol I'm one of the few on here that argues police do use to much force. But, you trying to frame his statement as racist because he acknowledges the fact that crime in his specific county is concentrated in black neighborhoods is race baiting.
So again, asking for clarification is race baiting now?