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Quote:So every single black person in the county you work in have either stolen, rob, murdered, or committed a burglary?

 

Do you have a link?
He just meant one or the other not ALL of them. :whistling:​ .. But yes..there seems to be a missing link    Ninja
Quote:Actually, I was referring to past experiences when I was pulled over for driving in “White” neighborhoods, where the officers were questioning where I was going and who I was seeing.



 

For the record, a person DOES have the right to ask the officer for their name and badge number, and can record the officer’s actions. I don’t understand your point about my question being “irrelevant”, I was simply citing an past experience, but whatever.



 

1.)    
Officers giving their names / badge numbers are dependent on their agency’s policies, not State or Federal law. Many States require Officers to have department-issued identification and certain other features that may be available upon request. Those aren’t always required to be presented to citizens during encounters if the Officer is in full-dress and obviously on-duty.


2.)    
Recording is perfectly legal. They can record so long as it doesn’t obstruct the investigation. For example, if you’re recording instead of proving your ID during a traffic stop. If you’re recording instead of exiting the vehicle upon request. Bla bla bla… recording isn’t 100% legal 100% of the time. Either way, neither one of these questions were relevant to my point.


 

I said he didn’t have to explain the reasoning for the traffic stop if it met the conditions I mentioned. He could have had PC for the stop and was just more interested in other aspects to bring it up or cite you for it.


 

Also, you do understand that police usually ask everyone where they’re going and why they’re there, right? You aren’t the exception. If that’s all you have, then you’re probably overreacting.


 

I don’t know what you meant, hence the reason why I was asking for clarification, I never judged you, Im not Christ, so ill let him make that decision.



 

If it were a simple question, then I wouldn’t contest. Your comments afterwards lend credence to an ulterior motive.



 

 You keep saying black people (as a whole) but I have not don’t any crime, nor have the majority of the peers I know did any crime. Does black on black crime exist? Yes, Does black on white, white on black, straight on gay crimes exist as well? Yes.  Just because those crimes exist dosent mean an entire race/gender is included.



 

I don’t keep saying black people as a whole. It shouldn’t require saying, but it’s obvious that I’m telling you that more black people victimize other black people than anyone else. I shouldn’t have to tell you that “not all black people are criminals”. Not all statements are absolutes.  


 

 

What response do you want? I just wanted some clarification. For whatever reason, you now feel insecure to where im invalidating your opinion. You really need to chill.



 

Chill? I’m chill. This is an online message board. I’ll submit this post and forget about it in 5 minutes. I don’t care if you disagree with me, and if you think this is making me upset, then you have clearly misjudged me. Making an observation about what I believe is an effort to invalidate my opinion doesn’t mean I’m butthurt about it.



 

It sounds to me like you are so used to posting your “opinions” about black on black crime without little questioning, that the first time someone responds  with a difference of interpretation you get hyper defensive and take it personally as to how dare I ask you for clarification, or challenge you to your statement.



Ask yourself this, as much as you pay attention to the black on black crime statistics, can you do yourself a challenge and post information about black people protesting these same type of crimes that go on.



 

Replying to your comment is hyper-defensive? Not quite. If that is enough to make you think someone is upset, it’s no wonder why you thought you were targeted (“profiled”). I welcome conversation about it, but you’re more interested in stretching a comment into something it obviously didn’t mean.



 

I’m not an expert with black-on-black crime. I’m telling you that all reported crimes were mapped out with a digital copy of the county map. Each crime with a description for the suspect, it showed that white people tend to victimize other white people, and black people tend to victimize other black people.



 

I’m not clear about your last question. Are you asking me to find a protest involving black people protesting black crimes? 

 

 

Quote:He just meant one or the other not ALL of them. :whistling:​ .. But yes..there seems to be a missing link    Ninja
 

I don't have the link. I'm a county employee, and it was for 2013. 
Quote:There is no media bias.


Im sure the white thug deserved what he got just like the black thug right?
Probably.


Just for some reason the white thug doesn't have a band of people looting for the "injustice".
Quote:Probably.


Just for some reason the white thug doesn't have a band of people looting for the "injustice".
 

Exactly, we in the pale community don't find it particularly egregious when criminals get killed while committing crimes. We're more concerned about innocents, and we seem to be able to tell the difference unlike other certain communities in our society.
Quote:Calling a statistical trend a generalization amounts to little more than race hustling.

 

How would you convey those statistics in a way that wouldn't come across as offensive? They are simple statistics. Just because they don't support your argument doesn't make them a racist thing.
 

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<p style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">1.)     
Officers giving their names / badge numbers are dependent on their agency’s policies, not State or Federal law. Many States require Officers to have department-issued identification and certain other features that may be available upon request. Those aren’t always required to be presented to citizens during encounters if the Officer is in full-dress and obviously on-duty.


<p style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">2.)     
Recording is perfectly legal. They can record so long as it doesn’t obstruct the investigation. For example, if you’re recording instead of proving your ID during a traffic stop. If you’re recording instead of exiting the vehicle upon request. Bla bla bla… recording isn’t 100% legal 100% of the time. Either way, neither one of these questions were relevant to my point.


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<p style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">I said he didn’t have to explain the reasoning for the traffic stop if it met the conditions I mentioned. He could have had PC for the stop and was just more interested in other aspects to bring it up or cite you for it.


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<p style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">Also, you do understand that police usually ask everyone where they’re going and why they’re there, right? You aren’t the exception. If that’s all you have, then you’re probably overreacting.


<p style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">I never said I was the exception. Are you saying it's perfectly legal for police to pull someone over based on racial profiling even when there is no probable cause?



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<p style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">If it were a simple question, then I wouldn’t contest. Your comments afterwards lend credence to an ulterior motive.


<p style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">What was my motive then? 



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<p style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">I don’t keep saying black people as a whole. It shouldn’t require saying, but it’s obvious that I’m telling you that more black people victimize other black people than anyone else. I shouldn’t have to tell you that “not all black people are criminals”. Not all statements are absolutes.  


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<p style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">Chill? I’m chill. This is an online message board. I’ll submit this post and forget about it in 5 minutes. I don’t care if you disagree with me, and if you think this is making me upset, then you have clearly misjudged me. Making an observation about what I believe is an effort to invalidate my opinion doesn’t mean I’m butthurt about it.


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<p style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">Replying to your comment is hyper-defensive? Not quite. If that is enough to make you think someone is upset, it’s no wonder why you thought you were targeted (“profiled”). I welcome conversation about it, but you’re more interested in stretching a comment into something it obviously didn’t mean.


<p style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">So now asking for clarification is "stretching" what you said?



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<p style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">I’m not an expert with black-on-black crime. I’m telling you that all reported crimes were mapped out with a digital copy of the county map. Each crime with a description for the suspect, it showed that white people tend to victimize other white people, and black people tend to victimize other black people.


You say you are not a black on black crime expert, but yet you have crimes that were mapped out. Im not questioning you, I would just like to see some official statics. 


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<p style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">I’m not clear about your last question. Are you asking me to find a protest involving black people protesting black crimes? 


<p style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">Yes.
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