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Quote:Might be worth a waiver claim and test drive. Seemed he was only viewed as depth at guard as of late however.

I'm always leery of the 75 man cuts. Those guys are usually has beens or never weres.

Quote:I'm always leery of the 75 man cuts. Those guys are usually has beens or never weres.

Very true.  Still - rare exceptions exist.  Our current 'starting' nickelback was claimed on August 28th last year. He's made a pretty nice 2-3 year patch.  (I doubt the same would hold true for the C/G in question, however)

Seattle claimed one of your centers.  Didn't see that coming.

 

http://www.fieldgulls.com/2014/8/26/6072...cus-dowtin

Quote:What could you possibly know about Brewster's "smarts", 6'3"  305 lbs. is undersized? Are you making this up? 

While 305 is a decent weight for a center, I do know that Brewster is smart enough to screw up shotgun snaps, be a penalty magnet and have a habit of whiffing on blocks that will eventually get a QB paralyzed from the waist down. Can Bowanko really be any worse?

Quote:While 305 is a decent weight for a center, I do know that Brewster is smart enough to screw up shotgun snaps, be a penalty magnet and have a habit of whiffing on blocks that will eventually get a QB paralyzed from the waist down. Can Bowanko really be any worse?

Incredible analysis.....and yes Bowanko is worse. Watch a replay of the Lions game, and you'll see he has a lot of affection for D-lineman. He hugged one 3 plays in a row. How he didn't get 3 holding calls is a miracle.

Quote:What could you possibly know about Brewster's "smarts", 6'3"  305 lbs. is undersized? Are you making this up? 

 

He doesn't play up to his weight, he plays below it.  He is weak for his size, hence the undersized comment.  

 

He isn't a smart player because in his limited playing time he has messed up snap counts, blown snaps, and looks lost in protection against defensive tackles, especially on 3rd/4th downs (pressure situations). 

 

He is the Blaine Gabbert of centers, he's got the tools but plays like he is 180 pounds and 5 feet tall.  Maybe smart isn't the right adjective, how about he isn't savvy and has undeveloped strength for his size.

Anyone ever notice that when Gus Bradley says "Bowanko" he puts the emphasis on the first syllable?   Try it.   BOwanko.    First time I heard Bradley say it I thought he was saying "Bullwinkle."  

Quote:He doesn't play up to his weight, he plays below it.  He is weak for his size, hence the undersized comment.  

 

 

True. ^

 

I knew I was right to be suspicious of the whole "Brewster put on weight and got stronger" spiel that happened around OTAs. 

 

He might have put on weight around his midsection, but he's still getting pushed around by DTs on too many plays.  If he's stronger - it's not showing up on the field.  Couple that with the bad snaps and late snap/penalty, and it's easy to see why he slid down the depth chart. 

Quote:True. ^

 

I knew I was right to be suspicious of the whole "Brewster put on weight and got stronger" spiel that happened around OTAs. 

 

He might have put on weight around his midsection, but he's still getting pushed around by DTs on too many plays.  If he's stronger - it's not showing up on the field.  Couple that with the bad snaps and late snap/penalty, and it's easy to see why he slid down the depth chart.

Yep. Guy's been getting put on his rear since the 2012 Senior Bowl. He just doesn't hold up well.

Quote:True. ^

 

I knew I was right to be suspicious of the whole "Brewster put on weight and got stronger" spiel that happened around OTAs. 

 

He might have put on weight around his midsection, but he's still getting pushed around by DTs on too many plays.  If he's stronger - it's not showing up on the field.  Couple that with the bad snaps and late snap/penalty, and it's easy to see why he slid down the depth chart. 

It's strange that similar observations fit Joeckel,Beadles, and Linder yet they haven't dropped on the depth chart. All have looked pretty questionable....

Brewster has become the whipping boy for the O-line. You will probably get your wish with Bowanko and Linder starting....enjoy the QB carnage that will follow.

Quote:It's strange that similar observations fit Joeckel,Beadles, and Linder yet they haven't dropped on the depth chart. All have looked pretty questionable....

Brewster has become the whipping boy for the O-line. You will probably get your wish with Bowanko and Linder starting....enjoy the QB carnage that will follow.

Is Brewster your neighbor or something?  You seem to be taking this personally.  It's not meant that way.  He seems like a great guy. I was pulling for him (even though I doubted him) , but he has disappointed repeatedly now.  Heck, if he took this demotion to heart and came back strong Thursday, I'd be thrilled. I just don't see it happening. 

 

Joeckel and Beadles didn't singlehandedly end 3 drives all by themselves.  Brewster did.  All in less snaps than he'd see in ONE GAME. That's really bad. Especially when you've been groomed over a season and off-season to be "the guy." 

 

You're wrong about Linder, BTW.  He's actually been very good for a rookie. (+2.1 grade at PFF) 

Quote:Is Brewster your neighbor or something?  You seem to be taking this personally.  It's not meant that way.  He seems like a great guy. I was pulling for him (even though I doubted him) , but he has disappointed repeatedly now.  Heck, if he took this demotion to heart and came back strong Thursday, I'd be thrilled. I just don't see it happening. 

 

Joeckel and Beadles didn't singlehandedly end 3 drives all by themselves.  Brewster did.  All in less snaps than he'd see in ONE GAME. That's really bad. Especially when you've been groomed over a season and off-season to be "the guy." 

 

You're wrong about Linder, BTW.  He's actually been very good for a rookie. (+2.1 grade at PFF) 

Nope, my neighbors are all old and retired. I think the snap issues in the opening pre season game were an anomaly. One of those 

'drive enders" was on a 4th and 3. I just think he's the only guy getting regularly ripped by everybody. Linder's grade may be +2.1 for 3 games , but he was beaten badly a number of times against Detroit. Bowanko MAY be the better option down the line, but he's not shown he's the "definite" best guy for the job right now. I'm even more surprised that McClendon is even mentioned at C or G. He's been shaky at both every game.

Quote:Nope, my neighbors are all old and retired. I think the snap issues in the opening pre season game were an anomaly. One of those 

'drive enders" was on a 4th and 3. I just think he's the only guy getting regularly ripped by everybody. Linder's grade may be +2.1 for 3 games , but he was beaten badly a number of times against Detroit. Bowanko MAY be the better option down the line, but he's not shown he's the "definite" best guy for the job right now. I'm even more surprised that McClendon is even mentioned at C or G. He's been shaky at both every game.

I realize Bowanko isn't the clearcut best option and he's likely to have some rookie gaffs if he starts.  I also am aware of the "piling on" with  the Brewster  criticism. 

 

I just think Brewster was given every opportunity to have a headstart on the position battle, told what was expected of him, given most of the first team reps early on, and STILL - he screwed it up pretty badly.  The big moments in which he was supposed to "own" the job - he practically stated a case for demotion instead.  I'm not sure how to interpret that any other way. 

 

Like I said, I hope he does some things Thursday to show he's not a bigger liability than the other starting linemen you mentioned, but as of now, he just is, IMO. 

Quote:I realize Bowanko isn't the clearcut best option and he's likely to have some rookie gaffs if he starts. I also am aware of the "piling on" with the Brewster criticism.


I just think Brewster was given every opportunity to have a headstart on the position battle, told what was expected of him, given most of the first team reps early on, and STILL - he screwed it up pretty badly. The big moments in which he was supposed to "own" the job - he practically stated a case for demotion instead. I'm not sure how to interpret that any other way.


Like I said, I hope he does some things Thursday to show he's not a bigger liability than the other starting linemen you mentioned, but as of now, he just is, IMO.

I bet Brewster makes the team despite being relegated to a second stringer. He can play anywhere in the middle. Bowanko is unproven and McClendon hasn't done anything either. I think all three make the team at the expense of the 6th wideout spot.

Quote:I realize Bowanko isn't the clearcut best option and he's likely to have some rookie gaffs if he starts.  I also am aware of the "piling on" with  the Brewster  criticism. 

 

I just think Brewster was given every opportunity to have a headstart on the position battle, told what was expected of him, given most of the first team reps early on, and STILL - he screwed it up pretty badly.  The big moments in which he was supposed to "own" the job - he practically stated a case for demotion instead.  I'm not sure how to interpret that any other way. 

 

Like I said, I hope he does some things Thursday to show he's not a bigger liability than the other starting linemen you mentioned, but as of now, he just is, IMO. 

well put....

Quote:I bet Brewster makes the team despite being relegated to a second stringer. He can play anywhere in the middle. Bowanko is unproven and McClendon hasn't done anything either. I think all three make the team at the expense of the 6th wideout spot.

 

Brewster's chances of making the team are not good.  If he makes the cut, he's beaten the odds.

Quote:I bet Brewster makes the team despite being relegated to a second stringer. He can play anywhere in the middle. Bowanko is unproven and McClendon hasn't done anything either. I think all three make the team at the expense of the 6th wideout spot.

Bowanko starts at C, Linder at G

Brewster backs up both spots.

Bradfield, Paz, Luke, Zane, Jaques, Nowak

 

9 Olinemen wouldnt sacrifice a 6th WR spot, imo. Most teams carry 9 oline, right?

Quote:He doesn't play up to his weight, he plays below it.  He is weak for his size, hence the undersized comment.  

 

He isn't a smart player because in his limited playing time he has messed up snap counts, blown snaps, and looks lost in protection against defensive tackles, especially on 3rd/4th downs (pressure situations). 

 

He is the Blaine Gabbert of centers, he's got the tools but plays like he is 180 pounds and 5 feet tall.  Maybe smart isn't the right adjective, how about he isn't savvy and has undeveloped strength for his size.

 

I thought he would have come in with improved strength after working out with LeCharles Bentley during the offseason.

Quote:Bowanko starts at C, Linder at G

Brewster backs up both spots.

Bradfield, Paz, Luke, Zane, Jaques, Nowak

 

9 Olinemen wouldnt sacrifice a 6th WR spot, imo. Most teams carry 9 oline, right?

 

I think we'll carry another tackle and one less interior guy. In your scenario, who is the third gameday tackle for the first month while Pasztor is out?

Well Bowanko Is Our Starter Tonight With Bortles Interestingly Enough. Is This The Future?