Quote:Agreed. I'm not saying to definitely keep Bortles on the sidelines, but chalking it all up to "that guy would have sucked anyway" is lazy. How can you know that? You can't. Truth is, you don't know for sure if David Carr, as an example, would have been successful with some time on the bench.
David Carr likely would have been better by not playing behind a beyond horrid OL. The kid got the crap beat out of him. Very few players would have been able to overcome the number of sacks/hits he had to take.
I'm sooo excited about the Jags right now I can't see straight!!! We've had a bad team for a long time, and what I'm seeing from this organization right now looks fantastic. Henne actually looked much better towards the end of last season and OK so far in the pre-season, but what I've seen from Blake thus far is a dramatic contrast of talent. He really seems to be the guy we've all been waiting on for so many years. Start him or not? I'm sure they'll make the right decision when the time comes, and that time is comeing soon. Here's looking forward to a great season!
Quote:I think this mechanics and footwork thing is so blown out of proportion. And he doesn't look the least bit overwhelmed out there. If he had as many serious issues as some people seem to be inferring, we certainly would have been able to see them.
I don't see what purpose making him sit would serve.
Agreed on the mechanics and footwork. If he had anything close to major changes that needed to be made I don't think taking him at three would have been a good idea because I'm a pretty firm believer you cannot make major changes to a guys mechanics at this stage in the game. Not when they've played with them their entire football lives. You don't undo 10+ years of mechanics issues at this point. Very few times has that proved successful.
Blake by all accounts has the mental make up to take the "pressure" of being an NFL starting quarterback. Sitting him is looking more and more like a waste of time and only delaying the inevitable.
here's the thing, sitting a QB does not necessarily equate to a better player. the only time i even fully see any benefit would be if he was sitting behind a future hall of famer or at least someone who has thrown more touchdowns than interceptions. the fact is to get the experience he needs, he needs to play. if they truly decide to sit him, based on how things are set up now, he's not gonna get that many reps after the preseason. which means they are basically deciding to waste a season with henne, because he not taking us anywhere. that's not to say that blake would be taking us to the playoffs either, but he could use that learning experience for the future. but the fact remains, a henne led offense isn't going to do much. maybe one game he might get a couple of touchdowns, but the next he's going to throw a few interceptions and zero touchdowns. i don't know about yall, but i don't wanna see anymore checkdowns when we need 10 yards for a first down. i don't need to see several tipped balls at the line of scrimmage every game. although henne's numbers look good last game, watching it is not the same. while he looked better than he usually does, it's still subpar. but when you watch blake, there is an obvious difference in the play. there are more shots taken down the field. when there are shots down the field, they actually are on time and perfectly placed. watch henne throw more than 7 yards, usually that ball is not very accurate and resulting in an incompletion. so they should start blake, as he has already shown that he has more ability than henne, and that he has a good grasp of the offense. the whole starting QB early ruins them, is false. gabbert was garbage in college and he was garbage in the nfl. we can't let the ghost of gabbert hunt us forever, when we have someone who is capable of playing right now.
It's pretty much a moot point.
Regardless... we've got our guy. That's what's most important.
Quote:It's pretty much a moot point.
Regardless... we've got our guy. That's what's most important.
I agree. It's going to be hard for them to
not start him at some point this season and that's a great problem to have.
Given everything Bradley / Fisch have done thus far.... I'll trust them to pull the trigger when the time is right.
Quote:I agree. It's going to be hard for them to not start him at some point this season and that's a great problem to have.
Given everything Bradley / Fisch have done thus far.... I'll trust them to pull the trigger when the time is right.
What makes any given time the "right" time? That's the definition I think we all would like to hear.
In my mind, you start the guy who gives you the best chance of winning the game, period.
Quote:What makes any given time the "right" time? That's the definition I think we all would like to hear.
In my mind, you start the guy who gives you the best chance of winning the game, period.
When Blake gives the coaches the confidence that he is ready to play.
Quote:When Blake gives the coaches the confidence that he is ready to play.
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Thanks for clearing that up. "Ready to play" is so much less ambiguous.
One factor figures into each QB equation - success is directly proportional to the effectiveness of the O-line. I would give this front line a few games to work its kinks out before starting Bortles.
Quote:here's the thing, sitting a QB does not necessarily equate to a better player. the only time i even fully see any benefit would be if he was sitting behind a future hall of famer or at least someone who has thrown more touchdowns than interceptions. the fact is to get the experience he needs, he needs to play. if they truly decide to sit him, based on how things are set up now, he's not gonna get that many reps after the preseason. which means they are basically deciding to waste a season with henne, because he not taking us anywhere. that's not to say that blake would be taking us to the playoffs either, but he could use that learning experience for the future. but the fact remains, a henne led offense isn't going to do much. maybe one game he might get a couple of touchdowns, but the next he's going to throw a few interceptions and zero touchdowns. i don't know about yall, but i don't wanna see anymore checkdowns when we need 10 yards for a first down. i don't need to see several tipped balls at the line of scrimmage every game. although henne's numbers look good last game, watching it is not the same. while he looked better than he usually does, it's still subpar. but when you watch blake, there is an obvious difference in the play. there are more shots taken down the field. when there are shots down the field, they actually are on time and perfectly placed. watch henne throw more than 7 yards, usually that ball is not very accurate and resulting in an incompletion. so they should start blake, as he has already shown that he has more ability than henne, and that he has a good grasp of the offense. the whole starting QB early ruins them, is false. gabbert was garbage in college and he was garbage in the nfl. we can't let the ghost of gabbert hunt us forever, when we have someone who is capable of playing right now.
I think this is for you.
<a class="bbc_url" href='http://jungle.jaguars.com/index.php?/topic/6096-jags-stubbornness-has-helped-bortles/#entry254824'>http://jungle.jaguars.com/index.php?/topic/6096-jags-stubbornness-has-helped-bortles/#entry254824</a>
The coaches have already outlined their criteria.
It's when he's consistent. Obviously, they've seen enough already to allow him time with the #1s... something they haven't done in the past.
When will he be ready?
When they start him, that's when.
I see absolutely nothing to worry about.
Quote: Thanks for clearing that up. "Ready to play" is so much less ambiguous.
I don't think you want to hear anyone's answers unless they match your own.
When the coaches feel he's got the consistency they are looking for, they will pull the trigger. They aren't lying or pulling the wool over people's eyes like some love to suggest. They've always been up front and honest. It's clear Bortles' play is having them re-evaluate their "redshirt" plan for him.
Can he convince them? Well, this week is his biggest audition yet. He keeps playing well and knocks it out of the park... it may be sooner than later that he plays.
But there's also the line to sort out as well. If that's still a moving target, I see no reason to throw the rookie into that... but if playing him with the OL "ones" and it doesn't affect his game, again... this audition could seal the deal if they think he'll not just survive, but still thrive back there regardless.
Quote:The coaches have already outlined their criteria.
It's when he's consistent. Obviously, they've seen enough already to allow him time with the #1s... something they haven't done in the past.
When will he be ready?
When they start him, that's when.
I see absolutely nothing to worry about.
This is how I feel. He'll play when he plays. What's the point of rushing the process. It's a process so just let it play out. This is not a Super Bowl team this year. Let's just let the development take it's course.
Quote:One factor figures into each QB equation - success is directly proportional to the effectiveness of the O-line. I would give this front line a few games to work its kinks out before starting Bortles.
You think a struggling line will disrupt Bortles more than it will Henne?
Despite the Jags brass declaring Henne as the starter, I still have trouble taking it seriously. There's NO WAY they can possibly have this much faith in the guy. Henne was on the roster last year, and this same staff was constantly saying Blaine would start when healthy in the beginning. They didnt make the switch because they thought Henne was good, they made the switch because blaine was just that bad.
Quote:Despite the Jags brass declaring Henne as the starter, I still have trouble taking it seriously. There's NO WAY they can possibly have this much faith in the guy. Henne was on the roster last year, and this same staff was constantly saying Blaine would start when healthy in the beginning. They didnt make the switch because they thought Henne was good, they made the switch because blaine was just that bad.
read this it should help
http://espn.go.com/blog/jacksonville-jag...ke-bortles
A lot of it is caution with Blake. Not wanting to pressure him, not wanting to ruin him and whatnot.
At this point though, it looks like there's a possibility that not starting him would hold both him and the team back. They're going to look to find out more in week 3, to see what he can bring with the starters.
Quote:read this it should help
<a class="bbc_url" href='http://espn.go.com/blog/jacksonville-jaguars/post/_/id/7295/jacksonville-jaguars-stubbornness-has-helped-blake-bortles'>http://espn.go.com/blog/jacksonville-jaguars/post/_/id/7295/jacksonville-jaguars-stubbornness-has-helped-blake-bortles</a>
DiRocco nails it.
Quote:You think a struggling line will disrupt Bortles more than it will Henne?
I think the coaches will have the opportunity to decide on that after the next preseason game.
I just hope it's our ones vs their ones, since that will be a taste of the real thing. Not our second team OL vs their second team DL like he's been running.