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Quote:The fact that her attention was on ducks and not on the road is a sign she was a crappy driver, and her stupidity cost 2 people their lives.

 

Humans >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>ducklings

 

I dunno about you, but I see pretty much everything when I drive. I'd probably have noticed the ducks too. 

 

The difference is, I'd have pulled off to the side of the road where my car was out of danger before I'd try to rescue the ducks. 

 

She completely zoned out. 

 

 

She tried to help a living thing that had little chance of helping itself in that situation. 

 

I'm sorry but I will not fault her for her compassion there. 

 

For her execution & carelessness? Sure, but not her intent. 

Quote:While drunk driving is a terrible thing, im sure its less dangerous than stopping in the left lane to pick up ducks.

 

Umm, less dangerous?....

 

....Probbly a better way to phrase that.

Quote:Umm, less dangerous?....


Probbaly a better way to phrase that...

How? Have you ever drank and drive? Do you know someone thay has? Im sure you do.


Have you ever came to a complete stop on a highway, even with your hazards on? Do you know anyone that has? Probably not, because they would more than likely be dead.

Quote:I dunno about you, but I see pretty much everything when I drive. I'd probably have noticed the ducks too. 

 

The difference is, I'd have pulled off to the side of the road where my car was out of danger before I'd try to rescue the ducks. 

 

She completely zoned out. 

 

 

She tried to help a living thing that had little chance of helping itself in that situation. 

 

I'm sorry but I will not fault her for her compassion there. 

 

For her execution & carelessness? Sure, but not her intent. 

 

I ride a motorcycle.  I have to see everything because people like you are too busy checking out the ducks thinking you're driving straight down the middle of your lane while you're snapping a selfie of yourself gazing at the ducks to text to your buddies. 

Quote:How? Have you ever drank and drive? Do you know someone thay has? Im sure you do.


Have you ever came to a complete stop on a highway, even with your hazards on? Do you know anyone that has? Probably not, because they would more than likely be dead.

 

 

I've had family that were severely injured and barely made it out alive via a drunken driver, so maybe I'm not the best person to ask for the answer you're hoping to get.  

Quote:I ride a motorcycle.  I have to see everything because people like you are too busy checking out the ducks thinking you're driving straight down the middle of your lane while you're snapping a selfie of yourself gazing at the ducks to text to your buddies. 

 

I've never had an accident. 

 

I've saved small animals from the road before, and done so without needing/ forcing another car to even slow down. 

 

So get outta here with that trash. 

 

You don't know what you're talking about. 

Quote:I've never had an accident. 

 

I've saved small animals from the road before, and done so without needing/ forcing another car to even slow down. 

 

So get outta here with that trash. 

 

You don't know what you're talking about. 

 

I've put over 100k on motorcycles over the years, and I know exactly what I'm talking about because I see it every time I leave my garage. 

 

BTW, I know some pretty awful drivers who've never had accidents.  That doesn't make them excellent drivers.  I've also known people who drive for a living who have had accidents.  It's not always about what YOU do that causes accidents. 

Quote:I've had family that were severely injured and barely made it out alive via a drunken driver, so maybe I'm not the best person to ask for the answer you're hoping to get.

And she killed 2 people, one being 16 years old.


Im not trying to get you to say drunk driving isn't a terrible thing, and im sorry about your family. Im saying that stopping in the middle of the highway is just as dangerous, if not more.

Quote:And she killed 2 people, one being 16 years old.


Im not trying to get you to say drunk driving is good, and im sorry about your family, Im saying that stopping in the middle of the highway is just as dangerous, if not more.

 

wasn't there another thread some guy stopped randomly in the middle of the highway and a biker smacked into the back of him? I remember the video they had some go-pro or something on the helmet so you got a first person view, it was bad.

Quote:And she killed 2 people, one being 16 years old.


Im not trying to get you to say drunk driving isn't a terrible thing, and im sorry about your family. Im saying that stopping in the middle of the highway is just as dangerous, if not more.

 

I have not defended the execution of stopping her car in the middle of the interstate anywhere in this thread. 

 

On the contrary, I've agreed that it was stupid and careless and she should be punished for that. 

Quote:wasn't there another thread some guy stopped randomly in the middle of the highway and a biker smacked into the back of him? I remember the video they had some go-pro or something on the helmet so you got a first person view, it was bad.

 

That situation was a little different because those bikes were out there getting ready to do some hot dogging on camera.  Plus, I'm not totally convinced that car was stopped completely.  I think that may have been the illusion based on the way it looked on camera, but that bike was moving along at a pretty serious clip when it made impact. 

Quote:That situation was a little different because those bikes were out there getting ready to do some hot dogging on camera.  Plus, I'm not totally convinced that car was stopped completely.  I think that may have been the illusion based on the way it looked on camera, but that bike was moving along at a pretty serious clip when it made impact. 

 

That's right now I remember, he was looking at the other biker. I just remember something about a guy hitting a car stopped or it seemed like it was stopped in the middle of the road.

Quote:How? Have you ever drank and drive? Do you know someone thay has? Im sure you do.


Have you ever came to a complete stop on a highway, even with your hazards on? Do you know anyone that has? Probably not, because they would more than likely be dead.

 

Actually, coming to a complete stop on the highway happens quite often.  Ever driven on an interstate and come upon an accident scene?  I rounded a corner on 95 not too long ago and discovered that everyone was stopped because the interstate had all lanes shut down completely due to a mutl-car accident.   I was able to come to a stop without hitting anyone as was everyone around me.   Not excusing what this young lady did, but how fast was the motorcycle going and was the biker paying attention?  Why was he unable to come to a safe stop? 

 

I've seen bikers do some pretty stupid things on the interstate, including one that I used to see every morning on the way to work on I-4.   He would ride up the white line between rows of traffic so that he could go faster than the traffic flow.   One morning I had to (again) come to a complete stop on the Interstate (which I did safely) and then inch past an accident scene.   This one was for a mangled motorcycle that looked like what remained of the white line rider's bike along with another vehicle. I've never seen him again so I'm guessing I know what happened that morning.   I feel sorry for the guy's family but riding like that on I-4 with no helmet, it was bound to happen.    

 

We don't know the entire story here.  The young woman should never have stopped, but to lock her away for many many years serves no one, especially since there was probably some negligence on the part of the individual who was unable to control his own vehicle.

Quote:Actually, coming to a complete stop on the highway happens quite often.  Ever driven on an interstate and come upon an accident scene?  I rounded a corner on 95 not too long ago and discovered that everyone was stopped because the interstate had all lanes shut down completely due to a mutl-car accident.   I was able to come to a stop without hitting anyone as was everyone around me.   Not excusing what this young lady did, but how fast was the motorcycle going and was the biker paying attention?  Why was he unable to come to a safe stop? 

 

I've seen bikers do some pretty stupid things on the interstate, including one that I used to see every morning on the way to work on I-4.   He would ride up the white line between rows of traffic so that he could go faster than the traffic flow.   One morning I had to (again) come to a complete stop on the Interstate (which I did safely) and then inch past an accident scene.   This one was for a mangled motorcycle that looked like what remained of the white line rider's bike along with another vehicle. I've never seen him again so I'm guessing I know what happened that morning.   I feel sorry for the guy's family but riding like that on I-4 with no helmet, it was bound to happen.    

 

We don't know the entire story here.  The young woman should never have stopped, but to lock her away for many many years serves no one, especially since there was probably some negligence on the part of the individual who was unable to control his own vehicle.

 

Yes, bikers do indeed do stupid things, especially when they're on a motorcycle better built for a track than the interstate. 

 

I seriously doubt this guy was hot dogging with his 16 year old daughter on the back seat, and his wife riding behind them. 

 

Not knowing the terrain of the area where the accident occurred, and not seeing the accident scene beyond pictures of the vehicles in the aftermath, it's difficult to say what kind of evasive measures he took to avoid hitting the car. 

 

If you're traveling at highway speed, and you come over a rise where a vehicle is stopped, in a car you've got about 5 seconds to come to a safe, controlled stop without locking brakes.  You need almost double that to bring a motorcycle from highway speed to a complete, controlled stop.  If you are breaking too hard, which is the natural instinct of riders in situations like this, or you're carrying an extra load like a passenger, and those tires break loose and go into a skid, all bets are off.  Looking at the accident scene from the photos provided, there's no way to determine what kind of evasive action was taken, but it's a safe bet that he probably lost control of the bike trying to stop. 

 

Better trained riders with more experience than him have run into a similar situation with similar results.  One of the best motorcycle safety trainers in the country was killed in much the same manner when he was unable to avoid an obstacle in the road.  This guy wrote a safety column for several years for one of the big motorcycle magazines. 

 

Blaming the biker is easy, but in this situation, with the cargo he was carrying, it's safe to assume he was practicing safe riding at the time of the accident. 

 

A very good friend of mine who has extensive training and rides a bike as his primary mode of transportation out in San Diego was involved in an accident Sunday night.  A car turned in front of him at an intersection.  He had no time to react, and t-boned the vehicle.  The end result is several broken ribs, a punctured lung, and a crushed clavicle along with several other cuts and bruises.  He's fortunate to be alive, but he was smart enough to know you wear a brain bucket and proper clothing.  People do stupid things in cars all the time without regard for what's going on around them.  This is especially true when a motorcycle is involved.  My friend was doing nothing wrong.  He was simply in the wrong place at the wrong time, legally riding his bike when the idiot decided they needed to make that turn. 

Quote:Actually, coming to a complete stop on the highway happens quite often.  Ever driven on an interstate and come upon an accident scene?  I rounded a corner on 95 not too long ago and discovered that everyone was stopped because the interstate had all lanes shut down completely due to a mutl-car accident.   I was able to come to a stop without hitting anyone as was everyone around me.   Not excusing what this young lady did, but how fast was the motorcycle going and was the biker paying attention?  Why was he unable to come to a safe stop? 

 

I've seen bikers do some pretty stupid things on the interstate, including one that I used to see every morning on the way to work on I-4.   He would ride up the white line between rows of traffic so that he could go faster than the traffic flow.   One morning I had to (again) come to a complete stop on the Interstate (which I did safely) and then inch past an accident scene.   This one was for a mangled motorcycle that looked like what remained of the white line rider's bike along with another vehicle. I've never seen him again so I'm guessing I know what happened that morning.   I feel sorry for the guy's family but riding like that on I-4 with no helmet, it was bound to happen.    

 

We don't know the entire story here.  The young woman should never have stopped, but to lock her away for many many years serves no one, especially since there was probably some negligence on the part of the individual who was unable to control his own vehicle.

 

This is what I was thinking.  I-95 can become a parking lot real quick.  But then again, there are a lot of rear end collisions and fender benders too when this happens.  It's unlikely this was just a simple rear end collision, because he wouldn't likely have run into the actual car that stopped if the was directly behind it.  It had to be a unique set of circumstances that led to the crash.  My guess is one of two things happened.  He was behind a car that abruptly evaded the stopped vehicle as it approached.  Or he was passing someone in the opposite lane right before the stopped car.  Either way, I'm guessing another car (or maybe something else) was blocking his vision at one point or another. 

 

Still have no explanation for why she stopped on the road though.  Helping ducks really isn't much of an explanation. 

Quote:This is what I was thinking.  I-95 can become a parking lot real quick.  But then again, there are a lot of rear end collisions and fender benders too when this happens.  It's unlikely this was just a simple rear end collision, because he wouldn't likely have run into the actual car that stopped if the was directly behind it.  It had to be a unique set of circumstances that led to the crash.  My guess is one of two things happened.  He was behind a car that abruptly evaded the stopped vehicle as it approached.  Or he was passing someone in the opposite lane right before the stopped car.  Either way, I'm guessing another car (or maybe something else) was blocking his vision at one point or another. 

 

Still have no explanation for why she stopped on the road though.  Helping ducks really isn't much of an explanation. 

 

Having been in a similar situation with large road debris that I couldn't see until the car in front of me swerved to avoid it, I can attest to how dangerous that can be for a motorcyclist to have an obstructed view that suddenly clears because of pending disaster.  I was lucky that the tool bucket that fell off the back of a truck bounced right instead of left and I was able to maneuver around it, but that really was just dumb luck that I went for the shoulder of the lane I was in instead of going the other way.   It doesn't take much to cause a tragic ending on a motorcycle if you're not paying attention, and even when you are, you're still at the mercy of the traffic around you.

 

A guy got killed on the Buckman Bridge a couple of years back on a Goldwing.  A truck in front of him lost an extension ladder (which happens more than you might think), and he had nowhere to go.  He swerved to avoid it and dumped the bike.  He was then hit by a car in another lane.  It's amazing how fast things can go badly. 

 

The reports indicated this girl had no hazards on.  If the accident happened at dusk or later, that would also explain quite a bit. 

 

There are so many factors that we simply don't know about here.

 

We just had what?  4 people die in an accident on I-95 a couple of weeks ago north of the World Golf Village.  That accident was one of those chain reaction events that was caused by traffic coming to a stop due to another accident further south.  It just takes a split second for something like that to occur, and it happens quite a bit with cars. Someone looks down at the speedo, looks back up and everything is stopped in front of them and they're doing 75 mph.  Imagine that same scenario with 2 less wheels, and no safety cage. 

When riders go through the various MSF training classes, the one common thread throughout these programs is that you never assume anyone around you knows you're there, or even cares.  Always ride defensively.  Always have a plan.  Riders are trained to pay attention to what's 4, 8, 12 seconds ahead of them and beyond, and to also be aware of what's happening beside them or behind them. 

 

I know the timing rule has saved me more than once because I was able to anticipate something happening, and prepare for contingencies in the event that it did. The area between I-295 and the World Golf Village on I-95 is one of the most dangerous stretches of road in the area, and it is even scarier for someone riding a motorcycle.  For some reason, people decide they're going to pound the pedal to the floor in that area, cut lanes, and basically turn it into a race track, and there are accidents in the area almost daily.  The head on collisions in the area got to be so bad that they had to put a center divider in the median to keep vehicles from crossing into oncoming traffic, and that did the trick most of the time.  Unfortunately, if a car becomes airborne, those short rails don't always do the trick. 

 

I've been on that stretch of I-95 as people just randomly change lanes not looking to see what's next to them.  This past Bike Week, 3 guys on Harleys in the middle lane about 40 feet in front of me almost got wiped out by some girl in a Jeep who came over into them.  I was watching her and she was all over her lane.  When she changed lanes, she was on her phone and not paying attention at all. 

 

One of my friends was forced onto the shoulder by some guy in a BMW in the same area on another ride. 

 

I've also seen sport bikes tearing through that same stretch, splitting lanes and riding carelessly, almost causing accidents because of the way they were maneuvering through traffic.  This one pack of bikes coming back from Daytona in 2013 rolled by me easily doing 120 mph.  The poetic justice was seeing them just before the 295 interchange on the side of the road with a bunch of troopers 10 minutes later.  Someone must have called them in. 

 

Most motorcyclists abide by the traffic laws and do the right thing.  They still wind up on the wrong end of an accident.  It's a shame, but if you're not riding defensively, especially with the drivers in this area, you're destined to wind up a statistic. 

I've seen this headline around the news, but didn't read it until now.  As a former motorcycle rider/owner I can say that what she did was just plain stupid.  I am an animal lover, but I would NEVER STOP in any lane of an interstate to save some ducklings.  If they get run over/killed, there are thousands more that will take their place.  It's bad enough for someone in a car/truck to come up on an idiot STOPPED on an interstate.  A wreck like that certainly has the potential to be deadly.  Someone on a motorcycle coming up to something like that has very little time and/or options to react safely.

 

Bottom line is, her action caused the death of two innocent people.  She needs to accept the consequences of her stupid decision.

The hazards are many.  A car pulling out in front of me is my biggest fear.  I had an idiot jump from a line of cars in the right turn lane into the left turn lane to make a right turn in front of me as I was approaching a T intersection from his left.  He got a driver's window full of my middle finger when I pulled even with him.  One of the tools I use for tools like this is my 136 dB air horn.  I have it and I ain't afraid to use it.  Anything I can use to snap a person's head out of their rectum and make them aware of me gives both of us that much more time to react.

There's an awful lot of "judging" in these three pages, especially given that the people "judging" admitted to knowing very little about the facts of this case.