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History is where you finish, not where you start.

Quote:History is where you finish, not where you start.

 

Well Gus is finished here so I guess that makes him history.

Quote:Remember when you said Ramsey doesn't have good hands and he wasn't a good pick?


I remember.

Gus is as positive and motivating as it gets. He's a tremendous idea guy capable of seeing the big picture and figuring things out, but winning football games isn't one of those things. His team never developed key instincts like going after the football, and the intricacies involved in the final minutes of games continually got the best of him. I do think there's a place for Gus either as a defensive coordinator or assistant in the NFL or as a HC in college football. He's truly a good guy at heart with his own vision for how the game should be played. That vision didn't quite work in the NFL, but he might just be a boss in the college ranks.

Quote:His will to be a good guy most likely took away from his ability to become a good coach, which is unfortunate.


It's not the the Nice Football League though.

I would agree that Gus is too nice a guy to be a successful NFL head coach. It is hard to think of another head coach who was like Gus that succeeded other than Tony Dungy. Dungy did have a guy named Manning who had something to do with his success. Gus will be successful in future ventures as long as the job does not require him to be an S.O.B. - which he is incapable of. 

Quote:Bradley made a lot to money while doing a terrible job.  It is very hard for me to feel sorry for him.  Actually, he stole his pay.

I try not to be negative about posts, but this statement is ludicrous. Yes, he did make a lot of money doing a terrible job. As far as stealing his pay, I guarantee you he worked extremely hard to make the Jaguars a better team. He failed because he does not have the traits necessary to be an effective NFL head coach.

 

As far as feeling sorry for Gus, who says you should feel sorry for him? I guarantee you that Gus does not feel sorry for himself. He gave it 100% and does not make excuses. He will take this as an experience in which he met a lot of great people, had the ability to impact many lives in a positive manner and made enough money to give his family lifetime security. Although I do not know him personally, it is my opinion that Gus does not view success in life as winning a Super Bowl- not that this would not please him. He has very unique qualities and integrity which will serve him well in the future as well the individuals who are lucky enough to have him as a boss or co-worker.

I wouldn't be surprised if 4-5 years down the road Gus is given another shot... if he goes back to being a DC with success.

And who knows... maybe he'll be better at it like most 2nd try coaches are.

Quote:I wouldn't be surprised if 4-5 years down the road Gus is given another shot... if he goes back to being a DC with success.

And who knows... maybe he'll be better at it like most 2nd try coaches are.

I'd be absolutely floored if he even gets another Head coaching interview within the next decade.


We're not talking about a guy that got a season on a team with a bad roster and essentially never got to show what he could do, he's a guy that got four seasons with a significant part of it leading a very competitive roster that never even win a game against a team that finished that season over .500.


I feel confident that he's done as an NFL head coach, and if he ever becomes a DC again I doubt he lucks into the kind of personnel he got in Seattle, which means more failure.

Quote:I'd be absolutely floored if he even gets another Head coaching interview within the next decade.


We're not talking about a guy that got a season on a team with a bad roster and essentially never got to show what he could do, he's a guy that got four seasons with a significant part of it leading a very competitive roster that never even win a game against a team that finished that season over .500.


I feel confident that he's done as an NFL head coach, and if he ever becomes a DC again I doubt he lucks into the kind of personnel he got in Seattle, which means more failure.

 

That's nearly word for word what folks were saying about Mularkey when he was shown the door...

Quote:That's nearly word for word what folks were saying about Mularkey when he was shown the door...

 

That he got four seasons and had a competitive roster for a significant part of it and never showed anything? I doubt it, especially considering he'd already had a winning season in Buffalo before coming to the Jaguars.

 

Comparing Mularkey's time as a coach with Gus's time as a coach is like comparing [BLEEP] and chocolate. They only seem similar given very little observation.

Quote:He's a tremendous idea guy capable of seeing the big picture and figuring things out, 

 

Completely wrong. Gus is narrow-minded and tunnel visioned, incapable of seeing the end results of a mindless persistence to an inflexible ideology.

Quote:That he got four seasons and had a competitive roster for a significant part of it and never showed anything? I doubt it, especially considering he'd already had a winning season in Buffalo before coming to the Jaguars.

 

Comparing Mularkey's time as a coach with Gus's time as a coach is like comparing [BAD WORD REMOVED] and chocolate. They only seem similar given very little observation.

 

One would have to ignore the entire history of the NFL to think Gus will never get another shot at being an NFL head coach.

Quote:I wouldn't be surprised if 4-5 years down the road Gus is given another shot... if he goes back to being a DC with success.

And who knows... maybe he'll be better at it like most 2nd try coaches are.

 

He's this generation's Rich Kotite without the coaching acumen or self awareness to resign when he failed.

Quote:One would have to ignore the entire history of the NFL to think Gus will never get another shot at being an NFL head coach.

 

There have been many coaches that only got one chance at a HC gig. I won't say that Gus can never get another shot at it, but I for one would be shocked if it's any time soon.

 

Heck, even Mularkey, who lead the Bills to their only winning season between 2000 and 2014 need most of a decade before he got his next shot, and he'd actually won games against other winning teams and not amassed the worst record of any head coach that got a decent amount of time to show he couldn't do it.

Quote:There have been many coaches that only got one chance at a HC gig. I won't say that Gus can never get another shot at it, but I for one would be shocked if it's any time soon.

 

Heck, even Mularkey, who lead the Bills to their only winning season between 2000 and 2014 need most of a decade before he got his next shot, and he'd actually won games against other winning teams and not amassed the worst record of any head coach that got a decent amount of time to show he couldn't do it.

 

The luster is off the Bradley Culture, there's no football substance behind it.

Quote:He's this generation's Rich Kotite without the coaching acumen or self awareness to resign when he failed.

 

To be honest, there was absolutely nothing done to help Bradley grow into the role by the folks who hired him to grow into the role.

 

Let's not forget Dave admitted this as an important fault in Gus' tenure during his presser.

 

Their way of "developing" him was to keep him on board and wait for something to change, instead of leading or affecting that change.  Leading from behind, instead of from the front.  That mistake has resulted in a change of approach.  It's why Khan has asked Dave to step forward to personally handle the next hire, and has involved a firm to assist the process.

pirkster...developing Gus?

 

He was hired into one of the top 32 primo jobs in the world.

 

This is not a job where an abundance of on-the-job-training should be the norm or acceptable.

 

He needed to put on his big-boy undies and lead...he didn't have what it takes, it's that simple.

Quote:pirkster...developing Gus?

 

He was hired into one of the top 32 primo jobs in the world.

 

This is not a job where an abundance of on-the-job-training should be the norm or acceptable.

 

He needed to put on his big-boy undies and lead...he didn't have what it takes, it's that simple.

 

It's a lot more complicated than that, actually.  If you would prefer to be dismissive and not desire to actually discuss it, that's fine.

 

We were one of the last jobs filled, they were admittedly behind the eight ball.  Gus didn't have the experience but they liked everything else and felt he would grow into it.  I think we all realize he wasn't ready.  The front office is learning from that mistake.

 

There's also the question of "fit."  Some people are better suited for better roles.  It's possible that yes, his best role is at a coordinator level.  We'll see how that plays out.  However, it's also possible that this was too much, too soon for Gus.  That doesn't mean he can't do it.  Just that he didn't get it done in this instance.  I can't recall another example where management just sat back and watched for so long without taking any corrective action.  Not just the NFL, but in organizations I've been a part of.

 

I also think we're also a little punch drunk off the first win in ten outings.  I'm not sold we're in the clear simply by plugging in Marrone now, and whoever the successor will be next season.  Let's ease the throttle on this firing Gus solves everything attitude.  Yes, it's possible they held on so long because they did think Gus could turn things around and the club was very close.  However, it's also possible the lack of coaching development was because the front office doesn't have good experience working with coaching staffs.  Dave has a player personnel background, not coaching.  Khan has hired coach vetting and hiring experts this go round to help with the search, further illustrating that lack of expertise in our front office.

 

It doesn't matter what your field or level of experience, if growth isn't continually happening - it's up to upper management to address that.  If the problem is deeper - that there's a culture that doesn't foster growth, that needs to be addressed as well (and is even more critical to fixing for long term success of the organization.)

pirkster...appreciate the elaboration. 

 

Lot's of good points in there and I agree. 

 

I was only saying that you better have what it takes to be an NFL HC.  The learning curve should be short for an NFLHC or you should be shown the door when it becomes apparent you can perform at the required level.  And you are correct that they showed unparalleled patience with GB.  I personally believed Gus showed enough to conclude he wasn't the man for the job at the end of his first season.  They waited almost 4 seasons...

Quote:To be honest, there was absolutely nothing done to help Bradley grow into the role by the folks who hired him to grow into the role.

 

Let's not forget Dave admitted this as an important fault in Gus' tenure during his presser.

 

Their way of "developing" him was to keep him on board and wait for something to change, instead of leading or affecting that change.  Leading from behind, instead of from the front.  That mistake has resulted in a change of approach.  It's why Khan has asked Dave to step forward to personally handle the next hire, and has involved a firm to assist the process.

 

I don't know, they brought in some quality help the last two years and he did nothing with it. Unless Kiffen, Marrone and Olson were seriously undermining him it looks like he didn't/wouldn't accept any advice those experienced guys might've given.