Quote:pirkster...appreciate the elaboration.
Lot's of good points in there and I agree.
I was only saying that you better have what it takes to be an NFL HC. The learning curve should be short for an NFLHC or you should be shown the door when it becomes apparent you can perform at the required level. And you are correct that they showed unparalleled patience with GB. I personally believed Gus showed enough to conclude he wasn't the man for the job at the end of his first season. They waited almost 4 seasons...
I think that what he showed in his first season is that he and his staff were certainly not top shelf coaches that could make a team void of talent play like it has talent. He didn't show that he was the worst head coach the NFL has ever known, though. By the end of his third season it was clear he wasn't even a mediocre coach when he failed to manage a young and talented team into the playoffs against one of the easiest schedules the team has ever faced with all of the breaks going our way. He should have been let go after last season, that was when it became clear and definitive he wasn't a positive difference maker as a coach, and that's what matters. Can't get Mr Right in when Mr Wrong is still blocking the doorway.
Quote:I'd be absolutely floored if he even gets another Head coaching interview within the next decade.
We're not talking about a guy that got a season on a team with a bad roster and essentially never got to show what he could do, he's a guy that got four seasons with a significant part of it leading a very competitive roster that never even win a game against a team that finished that season over .500.
I feel confident that he's done as an NFL head coach, and if he ever becomes a DC again I doubt he lucks into the kind of personnel he got in Seattle, which means more failure.
What makes you think he had nothing to do with developing every one of those players and making that defense what it was?
Oh, that's right - you watch football on tv so I guess you could have made that the best defense in the NFL.
And Belichek had Brady, so he obviously has been mediocre, but he does have Brady.
I prefaced my statement by saying "if you has success as a DC somewhere"
In 5 years time, Gus will have learned a lot more and will have grown.
Maybe a little less rah rah and more detail orientated, IDK.
But to think his days are just completely done as a HC?
Pssshhh...
He's been successful everywhere EXCEPT Jax.
And as Pirk pointed out... He was handcuffed in the beginning leading to the world's worst coaching record ever.
Trust me... I'm not stroking him up.
But JDR took some time and returned to coaching and could be coach of the year.
Everyone is hemmed up on his record. Which is fine. He stunk up the joint.
But he had 2 seasons of awful rosters and then in the year we were supposed to make the jump, Bortles fell off a cliff.
Gus could have and should have done a lot differently here. But it isn't that crazy to think that Bradley could be coaching again in the NFL in 2020 or something.
I think Gus will get another shot at HC if he interviews well. If he can identify what went wrong in Jacksonville and have a clear path forward to solving the past mistakes some GM will give him a shot. Many employers, myself included, appreciate one who can identify their shortcomings then have a willingness to correct them.
Regards..................the Chiefjag
Quote:I think Gus will get another shot at HC if he interviews well. If he can identify what went wrong in Jacksonville and have a clear path forward to solving the past mistakes some GM will give him a shot. Many employers, myself included, appreciate one who can identify their shortcomings then have a willingness to correct them.
Regards..................the Chiefjag
Definitely not in the NFL any time soon.
Quote:Definitely not in the NFL any time soon.
It would be hard to sell Gus as HC to any fanbase in the NFL, probably even in college too.
That 14-48 record will follow him around like an albatross around his neck.
Just imagine if he does somehow, someway get another HCing job and he gets off to another horrible start? How many games will he last until the inevitable?
Quote:Remember when you said Ramsey doesn't have good hands and he wasn't a good pick?
I remember.
Oh yeah I member!
Gus is a free range type of a coach with a loose reign approach. He would have fared better, his coaching style and philosophy, with a more veteran team. This team was just too young and undisciplined for his style of coaching. IMO
Quote:It's a lot more complicated than that, actually. If you would prefer to be dismissive and not desire to actually discuss it, that's fine.
We were one of the last jobs filled, they were admittedly behind the eight ball. Gus didn't have the experience but they liked everything else and felt he would grow into it. I think we all realize he wasn't ready. The front office is learning from that mistake.
There's also the question of "fit." Some people are better suited for better roles. It's possible that yes, his best role is at a coordinator level. We'll see how that plays out. However, it's also possible that this was too much, too soon for Gus. That doesn't mean he can't do it. Just that he didn't get it done in this instance. I can't recall another example where management just sat back and watched for so long without taking any corrective action. Not just the NFL, but in organizations I've been a part of.
I also think we're also a little punch drunk off the first win in ten outings. I'm not sold we're in the clear simply by plugging in Marrone now, and whoever the successor will be next season. Let's ease the throttle on this firing Gus solves everything attitude. Yes, it's possible they held on so long because they did think Gus could turn things around and the club was very close. However, it's also possible the lack of coaching development was because the front office doesn't have good experience working with coaching staffs. Dave has a player personnel background, not coaching. Khan has hired coach vetting and hiring experts this go round to help with the search, further illustrating that lack of expertise in our front office.
It doesn't matter what your field or level of experience, if growth isn't continually happening - it's up to upper management to address that. If the problem is deeper - that there's a culture that doesn't foster growth, that needs to be addressed as well (and is even more critical to fixing for long term success of the organization.)
Just curious, how does a FO "develop" a coach, especially one they brought in from another organization?