Quote:Lets wait for Chad Henne to throw a few INT's, before bashing him guys. He hasn't had this many good wide outs to throw to before either. Henne is a serviceable vet.
Brandon Marshall is better than anyone he has ever had and that was as forgettable a season as he has had.
I'm really just expecting Henne to be regular ol' Henne, nothing more and nothing less.
Quote:I'm really just expecting Henne to be regular ol' Henne, nothing more and nothing less.
I think most of us are expecting the same thing. Henne being Henne.
Quote:Garrard was a truly average QB and I'll take any season of his over Henne's 2013 campaign every day of the week.
Henne hasn't even shown the ability to play average. He's been below that his whole career. But, I believe he can do it, he's just never shown that level of play.
Let's not let the passing of time cloud the mind. Henne was every bit as good as Garrard 2009.
Garrard's best season, 2007, was one where he effectively managed the game as asked. He had not one, but two outstanding running backs and a very capable and stout defense to bail him out, and bail him out they did quite often. Of the only two memorable plays of his entire career, one was blind luck (Hail Mary) and the other was assisted by a blatant hold that wasn't called or it would have never happened.
He was carried by the team throughout his career, which (even in down seasons) was certainly exponentially more talented than what we put on the field last year. If we had competent play at QB during his tenure, we'd certainly gone better than 1 for 2 in the playoffs.
Quote:Let's not let the passing of time cloud the mind. Henne was every bit as good as Garrard 2009.
Garrard's best season, 2007, was one where he effectively managed the game as asked. He had not one, but two outstanding running backs and a very capable and stout defense to bail him out, and bail him out they did quite often. Of the only two memorable plays of his entire career, one was blind luck (Hail Mary) and the other was assisted by a blatant hold that wasn't called or it would have never happened.
He was carried by the team throughout his career, which (even in down seasons) was certainly exponentially more talented than what we put on the field last year. If we had competent play at QB during his tenure, we'd certainly gone better than 1 for 2 in the playoffs.
You guys always make me chuckle.
Quote:You guys always make me chuckle.
As you do the entire board. Congrats!
Quote:As you do the entire board. Congrats!
Some of us laugh out of complete understanding, others out of complete ignorance.
You'll decide which you think you are, but either way at least we're both enjoying ourselves.
Quote:Some of us laugh out of complete understanding, others out of complete ignorance.
You'll decide which you think you are, but either way at least we're both enjoying ourselves.
There's always been reality, then there's your reality. Enjoy yourself as you always do, insulated from the truth.
Quote:There's always been reality, then there's your reality. Enjoy yourself as you always do, insulated from the truth.
I'd expect no more amount self reflection from you.
Quote:I think most of us are expecting the same thing. Henne being Henne.
This. The faster Blake learns the better.
Quote:Let's not let the passing of time cloud the mind. Henne was every bit as good as Garrard 2009.
Garrard's best season, 2007, was one where he effectively managed the game as asked. He had not one, but two outstanding running backs and a very capable and stout defense to bail him out, and bail him out they did quite often. Of the only two memorable plays of his entire career, one was blind luck (Hail Mary) and the other was assisted by a blatant hold that wasn't called or it would have never happened.
He was carried by the team throughout his career, which (even in down seasons) was certainly exponentially more talented than what we put on the field last year. If we had competent play at QB during his tenure, we'd certainly gone better than 1 for 2 in the playoffs.
Garrard may not have been the greatest, but his rookie year was the only time he posted more INTs than TDs. Without question he was better than Henne. Though neither is special.
Quote:Garrard may not have been the greatest, but his rookie year was the only time he posted more INTs than TDs. Without question he was better than Henne. Though neither is special.
Henne is still in the league. Garrard is hoping for a shot to land on a roster after being out of the league for a while. He got an opportunity to latch on to the Jets roster toward the end of last season, but never saw the field.
Garrard was not without question better than Henne. He was just in, without question, a much better situation than Chad was with MJD in his prime, a defense that was effective, and enough receiving talent to be effective.
Garrard, like Henne, is not a guy who is going to carry the team when things aren't working.
Garrard didn't put up overly impressive statistics beyond a few key bits during the 2007 season that got him a mega contract. Beyond that anomaly, Garrard has been pedestrian on his best days.
Not playing up Henne, but to say Garrard was better without question despite the fact that their situations are different is pointless. Neither QB is going to set the world on fire. Both are better suited to hold a clipboard. Both have been starters for this team. That tells you how bad the talent at QB has been here. Fortunately, that streak should be coming to an end at some point this year. Until then, Henne will be a serviceable starter for the team. Nothing impressive. But serviceable.
If the facts don't fit the theory, change the facts. - Albert Einstein
Sportsbreak.com ranked Henne #8 or #9 with the strongest arm in the NFL right now. Chaaammmppiioonnnsshhiip.
Quote:Sportsbreak.com ranked Henne #8 or #9 with the strongest arm in the NFL right now. Chaaammmppiioonnnsshhiip.
Quit making fun of the guy. You've just never seen him with a decent team and the same coach two years in a row. This year is going to be different!
Quote:Quit making fun of the guy. You've just never seen him with a decent team and the same coach two years in a row. This year is going to be different!
What happens if that turns out to be the case? Will you shut up, or simply crawl under a rock and hide?
Quote:Quit making fun of the guy. You've just never seen him with a decent team and the same coach two years in a row. This year is going to be different!
That's exactly what you said about Gabbert last year.
Quote:What happens if that turns out to be the case? Will you shut up, or simply crawl under a rock and hide?
If he's really an average or better passer over the course of the season (he hits around 13-19 on most of the stats that matter, TDs, INTs, passer rating, YPA, etc) then I'll admit I was wrong.
Unlike you guys my track record of admitting when I'm wrong about something speaks for itself.
It's a little thing known as maturity.
Edit: To be clear I mean he ranks in the middle of the pack as a starter, so 13th to 19th in those categories, not if he throws 13 INTs.
Quote:If he's really an average or better passer over the course of the season (he hits around 13-19 on most of the stats that matter, TDs, INTs, passer rating, YPA, etc) then I'll admit I was wrong.
Unlike you guys my track record of admitting when I'm wrong about something speaks for itself.
It's a little thing known as maturity.
Edit: To be clear I mean he ranks in the middle of the pack as a starter, so 13th to 19th in those categories, not if he throws 13 INTs.
I'm sure if he meets your expectations, you'll simply move the goal line. After all, he's not Gabbert.