Quote:We're not Green Bay, and I've never implied Daytona is Timbuktu, but feel free to twist it as you see fit.
I get what exposure means. I also recognize that the overwhelming majority who would show up for a game like that, especially if it's the first time they play football there, will be coming to see the new facility, and won't care one iota about the teams on the field, ESPECIALLY if they recognize it for what it is, which is a glorified practice game where they're not going to see the best either team has to offer.
I think that despite the fact that the team has been downright awful at times over the past several years, the season ticket holders have shown tremendous devotion to the team, even when the team took a regular season game away to play in London. Go ahead and take another game away, and do it while they're still losing a game to London, and let's see just how understanding the fans can be. Especially when they are trying to expand the market by playing in Daytona Beach, and particularly after the stadium here has undergone significant renovations intended to be a draw for those fans who only have to drive 80 miles from Daytona to see the Jaguars if that's what they're truly interested in.
The interstate runs both ways you know, and the fan experience at a home Jaguars game will trump going to a speedway to watch a preseason game.
The interstate has been running north for 20 years. You are the one who is refusing to accept the fact that it also runs south.
You are right, it is a novelty, but it is a novelty that will attract a ton of people and get national exposure, exactly what you need when you are trying to establish a brand and expand your market.
Once the novelty wears off, you ditch the venue. No one has said it had to be permanent. Meanwhile, you have exposed a group of people who may have never attended a game or a bunch of young people for who it may be their first game, the NFL particularly the Jaguars.
It may not attract a whole bunch of season ticket holders, but it will help establish a firmer presence in the central Florida markets which creates advertising, merchandising, and other revenue streams that this team desperately needs to stay viable in Jax.
On top of that, it gives an opportunity to expose the team to a different group of kids who may not have the ability right now to travel to Jacksonville to watch games, who may grow up and become an expansion to the next generation of season ticket holders.
Daytona will host an NFL at the facilities regardless of whether or not the Jags participate.
The worst thing in the world this franchise could do is allow another team to step into our backyard and steal the show.
Quote:Daytona will host an NFL at the facilities regardless of whether or not the Jags participate.
The worst thing in the world this franchise could do is allow another team to step into our backyard and steal the show.
Steal what show exactly?
It's a one time gimmick. One I hope the team doesn't fall for.
This is like the Bianchi thing with Orlando. He acts as if the Jaguars owe Orlando a game. Screw off Orlando. If you want to watch the Jaguars play a game, get in your car and drive the two hours here.
They get caravan visits. Meet and greets with the players. Enjoy those and make the short drive to attend a game.
Quote:Daytona will host an NFL at the facilities regardless of whether or not the Jags participate.
The worst thing in the world this franchise could do is allow another team to step into our backyard and steal the show.
Worst thing in the world? Hyperbole much?
Quote:The interstate has been running north for 20 years. You are the one who is refusing to accept the fact that it also runs south.
You are right, it is a novelty, but it is a novelty that will attract a ton of people and get national exposure, exactly what you need when you are trying to establish a brand and expand your market.
Once the novelty wears off, you ditch the venue. No one has said it had to be permanent. Meanwhile, you have exposed a group of people who may have never attended a game or a bunch of young people for who it may be their first game, the NFL particularly the Jaguars.
It may not attract a whole bunch of season ticket holders, but it will help establish a firmer presence in the central Florida markets which creates advertising, merchandising, and other revenue streams that this team desperately needs to stay viable in Jax.
On top of that, it gives an opportunity to expose the team to a different group of kids who may not have the ability right now to travel to Jacksonville to watch games, who may grow up and become an expansion to the next generation of season ticket holders.
There's zero reason for the Jaguars to go to Daytona for a gimmick game where they MIGHT find a few new fans who somehow have managed to not realize there's been an NFL franchise playing 93 miles north of the International Speedway for the last 20 years. If there are fans who are interested in the Jaguars, that trip is the same distance north as it is south. Why can't they come to Jacksonville to experience the NFL in an actual NFL stadium instead of at some multi-purpose facility? If it's about convenience for them, you're not going to reap any real reward there.
Novelty? It will wear off after one viewing. Then it goes back to being a speedway.
What the Jaguars are doing with media in that area (radio, print, and TV) will do 1000x more to firm up their presence in central Florida than playing a practice game at the speedway.
Sorry, but we can hook those same kids in by making sure the games and all Jaguar related programming are broadcast to the Daytona market. That booming metropolis of 125k (I'm counting Ormond and New Smyrna to get them beyond the 62k they actually claim) sitting 90 miles south of EverBank is not going to become a rabid Jaguar market because of a preseason game.
Quote:Steal what show exactly?
It's a one time gimmick. One I hope the team doesn't fall for.
This is like the Bianchi thing with Orlando. He acts as if the Jaguars owe Orlando a game. Screw off Orlando. If you want to watch the Jaguars play a game, get in your car and drive the two hours here.
They get caravan visits. Meet and greets with the players. Enjoy those and make the short drive to attend a game.
It's only a short drive to the person you're responding if you're headed south. Evidently there's a border or something that prevents folks in Daytona, Ormond, and New Smyrna from making the same drive north.
Both Miami and Tampa have had their issues with ticket sales in recent years. I don't see either of them racing to play in Daytona or Orlando.
Quote:Worst thing in the world? Hyperbole much?
There's zero reason for the Jaguars to go to Daytona for a gimmick game where they MIGHT find a few new fans who somehow have managed to not realize there's been an NFL franchise playing 93 miles north of the International Speedway for the last 20 years. If there are fans who are interested in the Jaguars, that trip is the same distance north as it is south. Why can't they come to Jacksonville to experience the NFL in an actual NFL stadium instead of at some multi-purpose facility? If it's about convenience for them, you're not going to reap any real reward there.
Novelty? It will wear off after one viewing. Then it goes back to being a speedway.
What the Jaguars are doing with media in that area (radio, print, and TV) will do 1000x more to firm up their presence in central Florida than playing a practice game at the speedway.
Sorry, but we can hook those same kids in by making sure the games and all Jaguar related programming are broadcast to the Daytona market. That booming metropolis of 125k (I'm counting Ormond and New Smyrna to get them beyond the 62k they actually claim) sitting 90 miles south of EverBank is not going to become a rabid Jaguar market because of a preseason game.
20 years of doing things the old way and still struggling to be a viable franchise in Jax begs to differ.
Quote:20 years of doing things the old way and still struggling to be a viable franchise in Jax begs to differ.
Yep. Same exact organization as 3 years ago. Nothing has changed.
Nailed it bro.
Quote:20 years of doing things the old way and still struggling to be a viable franchise in Jax begs to differ.
I'd agree with this if the Weavers still owned the Jags. Kahn is anything but same old, same old...
Quote:Yep. Same exact organization as 3 years ago. Nothing has changed.
Nailed it bro.
A little reading comprehension helps, bro.
FBT is the one complaining about the new ways Khan has chosen to expand the brand.
I am the one agreeing with Khan's new way of marketing the team to wider audiences.
Quote:I'd agree with this if the Weavers still owned the Jags. Kahn is anything but same old, same old...
You might want to address this statement to the guy arguing against the way Khan is going about things, not the one supporting them.
Quote:A little reading comprehension helps, bro.
FBT is the one complaining about the new ways Khan has chosen to expand the brand.
I am the one agreeing with Khan's new way of marketing the team to wider audiences.
The funny thing about you challenging the reading comprehension of others is the fact that the entire discussion about playing a game in Daytona came from the guy running the speedway, and not from Shad Khan or anyone else inside the Jaguars organization. So, please, tell me again how I'm "complaining about the new ways Khan has chosen to expand the brand" when he had absolutely nothing to do with this at all?
I completely agree with KHAN'S efforts to market the team by doing caravans, expanding the television and radio networks, or increasing ad/media buys in the Daytona and Orlando markets.
Quote:The funny thing about you challenging the reading comprehension of others is the fact that the entire discussion about playing a game in Daytona came from the guy running the speedway, and not from Shad Khan or anyone else inside the Jaguars organization. So, please, tell me again how I'm "complaining about the new ways Khan has chosen to expand the brand" when he had absolutely nothing to do with this at all?
I completely agree with KHAN'S efforts to market the team by doing caravans, expanding the television and radio networks, or increasing ad/media buys in the Daytona and Orlando markets.
You absolutely hated his idea of expanding the brand in Europe by playing a game in London.
Do we really need to go back to all the whining you did because he was going to move the team away?
There are threads filled with your bemoaning of Khans method for marketing the team and you are going to whine some more when the Jags play a game at the speedway.
Quote:You absolutely hated his idea of expanding the brand in Europe by playing a game in London.
Do we really need to go back to all the whining you did because he was going to move the team away?
There are threads filled with your bemoaning of Khans method for marketing the team and you are going to whine some more when the Jags play a game at the speedway.
I still don't like playing in London because it's costing season ticket holders 1 game, but they're still paying for it thanks to the price increases.
At the time, I was concerned the team could be taking the first steps toward leaving Jacksonville. Khan hadn't yet established himself as being committed to the local market. That has subsequently changed, so you are more than welcome to go back and dig up my comments from that time frame, then look at what I've said more recently.
You're not a TMD type who thinks people can't have their opinions change over time, are you? Once you make your opinion known, you must live with them for a lifetime?
I find it entertaining that you avoided the point of the post you quoted. Khan has nothing to do with the speedway talk. It's okay. You can admit you were wrong and that you accused me of something that wasn't factual. I won't go as far as calling you a liar. We'll just chalk it up to you not understanding what you were reading.
Quote:What's funny is you're the one saying "20 years of doing things the old way and still struggling to be a viable franchise in Jax begs to differ".
And yet you try pawn it off on someone else. You sound like one of those clown that comment on every Times-Union article and Jaguars Facebook post. Let me guess. At some point you've started a sentence by saying "If Khan was smart...".
What's even funnier is that Khan isn't the one suggesting the team play in Daytona.
Quote:What's even funnier is that Khan isn't the one suggesting the team play in Daytona.
Nor do I think they ever will.
Quote:Nor do I think they ever will.
They may consider hosting some training camp practices down there at some point.
Quote:They may consider hosting some training camp practices down there at some point.
Yeah. Could see them doing something like that in Savannah or Charleston someday.
But not an actual game, preseason or otherwise.
Quote:Yeah. Could see them doing something like that in Savannah or Charleston someday.
But not an actual game, preseason or otherwise.
Preseason games are the only revenue stream that owners get to keep every dime of. Playing a preseason game elsewhere would mean at the very least splitting the gate with the facility. I don't see them giving up that money.
The Jaguars are already missing one home game. For the team to give up a preseason game on top of that would have to have one gigantic payback.