Quote:I'm just going by your logic?
Teddy has the chance to be a franchise-level QB. So do all of the other QBs in this class. That doesn't mean they should be picked Top 5.
Teddy was not the best QB prospect in this draft. Blake Bortles was.
Not my logic. I don't think any of those 3 are franchise QB. Maybe if one of them are lucky, one of that group might make it to Andy Dalton level.
Blake Bortles wasn't the best QB prospect in this draft. He was #2 behind Teddy. Blake wound up going first, but Teddy will likely have the better career of the 2. Blake is a clear step of from Carr/ Murray/ Savage however.
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Blake Bortles wasn't the best QB prospect in this draft. He was #2 behind Teddy.
Yes, that's why Ted went #1 overall...
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Quote:Yes, that's why Ted went #1 overall...
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Watching both play the position backs up my assertion.
If Teddy was built like Bortles, Teddy goes #1 overall, easy.
As far as playing the position, Teddy > Bortles.
Framewise, Bortles > Teddy
Quote:Yes, that's why Ted went #1 overall...
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I am not siding with TMD but just because guy A goes before guy B....doesn't mean guy A is better.
I do agree though that Teddy is a more polished QB/Passer than Bortles right now...but I think Bortles could end up being the much better pro.
Quote:I am not siding with TMD but just because guy A goes before guy B....doesn't mean guy A is better.
I do agree though that Teddy is a more polished QB/Passer than Bortles right now...but I think Bortles could end up being the much better pro.
It's a "crystal ball" business.
If Ted were certainly going to be a better pro, and it was obvious to all, he would have been unquestionably the first QB off the board.
Instead, Ted was the best QB on the second tier of candidates.
There wasn't a run on QBs in the first. There was one QB seen as the best franchise candidate. There was one wildcard QB drafted after him.
Then, there was everyone else.
There are no guarantees, but that gives a clear indication of what the GMs felt was the risk/reward (i.e. "value") at the top of this QB class.
Look, Teddy is going to be the most consistent. Manziel is going to have days where he'll make me wish we drafted him, and then days where I'll be glad we didn't.
I thought each was better than BB in the process, however, new information has changed my mind. Such as the fact that Bortles has never had a QB coach. Ever. He lead UCF, beat Teddy, beat Penn State, came very close to beating South Carolina, and beat Baylor in a bowl game... all while never having had a QB coach.
To me, this is more representative of his potential than his frame (although his frame is a big plus as well). Maybe, with a QB coach, his footwork gets shaped up and he never throws the picks that cost him the SoCar game. Who knows. The point is this.
With Teddy, you're going to have an upper-half guy consistently for a good deal of time until his (already not super) armstrength dies down. With Johnny, you're going to have an electric playmaker who I think might lose more than he wins. With Blake, you have the opportunity to take this fantastic canvas of a QB from a size/athleticism/poise/intangibles perspective, sit him for a year, and mold him into whatever you want him to be. And they want him to be one of the premier signal-callers in the league.
Also... TMD, you're awesome and I love you, but it's clear at this point that Teddy was not the number one in the class. The Texans almost took BB at 1, we took him at 3, Cleveland was gonna snag him at 4, the Cardinals were looking at him, as were the Patriots. That's three top-five considerations, as well as two teams with upper-tier QBs willing to spend a first round pick on a developmental QB. Arians even went as far as to say that BB was the only franchise QB in the draft.
Meanwhile, every single one of those teams passed on Teddy, who barely snuck into the first round.