Sounds to me like Ryan Clark is spot on. Goodell rushes to judgement on so many cases, but not this one? Then he is able to lobby on behalf of Indianapolis to get a Super Bowl? I know Goodell doesn't want to bite the hand that feeds him, but he has to do something.
“So when has
having enough information been what Roger Goodell waits for to make these decisions?” Clark said on “First Take.” “When does a charge necessarily warrant the penalty? We’ve seen in so many cases, Roger Goodell be judge and jury when it comes to players,” Clark said. “So here we have Jim Irsay, a guy, an owner, who has history of substance abuse, who’s found in a car with over $29K and prescription drugs that weren’t in his name, pulled over for driving under the influence, and now we’re saying we need more information? What more information do we need than these aren’t your prescription pills? You’re obviously under the influence. You have $29k. There would be no questions asked if this was a player.”
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I agree that Goodell would have already suspended a player.
I imagine the consequences would be much higher for Irsay than an average player. Could he be forced out of the NFL similar to D Sterling?
Quote:I agree that Goodell would have already suspended a player.
I imagine the consequences would be much higher for Irsay than an average player. Could he be forced out of the NFL similar to D Sterling?
I can't imagine that would even be close to that. I was thinking a 4 game suspension similar to what a player would get.
If a player was found with what Sterling was found with, he'd be out for a while. You can't give players consequences for hurting the league, and not making the people who run it not have consequences.
The NFL has done this more then once. This situation above. Last year with the Seattle corner. But they are quick to pounce on someone like the corner in Miami who simple speaks his mind.
Quote:The NFL has done this more then once. This situation above. Last year with the Seattle corner. But they are quick to pounce on someone like the corner in Miami who simple speaks his mind.
It's not even about the players getting punished at this point. What Irsay did goes well beyond what most players get punished for. If a player in the NFL had done what he did, he would be close to banished.
Clark is right. If this was a player he'd be under an "indefinite suspension" with pretty much no chance of ever getting back.
Irsay has a player on his own team who by all accounts truly looks as if he was trying to do something to help conceive a child. Doctor has come out speaking for him and all. Mathis understands that he was at fault for not at least reporting it to the league before hand, and has accepted his punishment. Now the league drags on even more with this Irsay issue. It's ridiculous.
The Irsay issue is now over 2 months old and the league has pretty much done squat.
The players and owners are two different situations.
The players are under rules collectively bargained by the NFLPA. The substance Mathis is suspended for is a banned substance as agreed to by the NFLPA. He has no leg to stand on.
What are Goodell's powers to suspend an owner? There is nothing written into the bylaws like there is with the players. My guess is Goodell will take action prior to the season as the pressure is mounting.
Quote:The players and owners are two different situations.
The players are under rules collectively bargained by the NFLPA. The substance Mathis is suspended for is a banned substance as agreed to by the NFLPA. He has no leg to stand on.
What are Goodell's powers to suspend an owner? There is nothing written into the bylaws like there is with the players. My guess is Goodell will take action prior to the season as the pressure is mounting.
Nobody even knows if the owners have by laws. The NBA owners do, and many of them came to light with the Sterling thing. I would imagine the NFL owners have something possibly similar. The owners/coaches have some sort of policing by the commisioners office. The Saints/New England Patriots/Bud Adams situations prove that.
The main point is, you cant punish people that work for you for things that seem to be much more mundane....and then not police yourselves. It's a double standard, and when the next collective bargaining agreement comes up, I would make my case for it.
Now now now.. Let's not get ahead of ourselves before we hear from Clotswarrior.. I'm sure he'll have a reasonable explanation.
Quote:Nobody even knows if the owners have by laws. The NBA owners do, and many of them came to light with the Sterling thing. I would imagine the NFL owners have something possibly similar. The owners/coaches have some sort of policing by the commisioners office. The Saints/New England Patriots/Bud Adams situations prove that.
The main point is, you cant punish people that work for you for things that seem to be much more mundane....and then not police yourselves. It's a double standard, and when the next collective bargaining agreement comes up, I would make my case for it.
I fully expect Goodell to take action, but he's in a somewhat unique situation. As stated above the Mathis situation is cut and dried, as are most of the player misconduct issues. This one is a little different and I'm guessing Goodell is trying to arrive at some consensus with the other owners.
What's the rush? This issue doesn't affect the competitive balance of teams, etc. And it's setting a precedent. So I think we need to be patient.
I know we like to rag on Goodell and this situation gets Ryan Clark some air time but I think we'll hear something fairly soon.
I'm not shocked that nothing was done to Irsay. Players get and will always get the ish stick. I'm with Clark on that. But I don't think owners are under the same rules as players. There not under contract by the NFL. Could Goodell really do anything to him tho?
Quote:I'm not shocked that nothing was done to Irsay. Players get and will always get the ish stick. I'm with Clark on that. But I don't think owners are under the same rules as players. There not under contract by the NFL. Could Goodell really do anything to him tho?
If the Bounty-gate issue is any example I would think it's clear that Goodell can (and will) take action against Irsay.
Quote:I fully expect Goodell to take action, but he's in a somewhat unique situation. As stated above the Mathis situation is cut and dried, as are most of the player misconduct issues. This one is a little different and I'm guessing Goodell is trying to arrive at some consensus with the other owners.
What's the rush? This issue doesn't affect the competitive balance of teams, etc. And it's setting a precedent. So I think we need to be patient.
I know we like to rag on Goodell and this situation gets Ryan Clark some air time but I think we'll hear something fairly soon.
It could have effected who got a Super Bowl. That is millions upon millions of dollars.
In my opinion, he should have stayed clear of any team activities until this is over.
I don't mind Goodell. He's in a tough spot, and to me makes a pretty good decision in the leagues best interest for the most part. I also like Ryan Clark....the guys still in the league and has the balls to say something like this. I cant wait until he's done to hear what he has to say.
Quote:It could have effected who got a Super Bowl. That is millions upon millions of dollars.
In my opinion, he should have stayed clear of any team activities until this is over.
I don't mind Goodell. He's in a tough spot, and to me makes a pretty good decision in the leagues best interest for the most part. I also like Ryan Clark....the guys still in the league and has the balls to say something like this. I cant wait until he's done to hear what he has to say.
Well, I don't think Jim Irsay was going to swing the vote on a Super Bowl site, but I agree that he should have stayed away.
I also think Goodell has been pretty right on by and large with his rulings. I also know that many people need a designated Bad Man and Goodell fills that role for some.
I don't think Ryan Clark is showing much courage in speaking his mind (and more power to him). What's he got to be afraid of? Goodell going to pay someone to take out his knee?
Goodell's not stupid. He knows how it will look if he takes no action. And the NFL is
always concerned about how things look.
Quote:Well, I don't think Jim Irsay was going to swing the vote on a Super Bowl site, but I agree that he should have stayed away.
I also think Goodell has been pretty right on by and large with his rulings. I also know that many people need a designated Bad Man and Goodell fills that role for some.
I don't think Ryan Clark is showing much courage in speaking his mind (and more power to him). What's he got to be afraid of? Goodell going to pay someone to take out his knee?
Goodell's not stupid. He knows how it will look if he takes no action. And the NFL is always concerned about how things look.
You don't think Goodell would do anything to go after a guy that currently plays in the league and bad mouths him that way? I do.
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You don't think Goodell would do anything to go after a guy that currently plays in the league and bad mouths him that way? I do.
I assume you are being overly dramatic for effect.
No, I don't think Clark has anything to worry about. He's not the first to say the Emperor has no clothes.
Of course players are treated differently from owners. Goodell isn't working for the players. He is working for the owners.
Quote:Of course players are treated differently from owners. Goodell isn't working for the players. He is working for the owners.
And the owners don't have a union representing them.
There is still a code of conduct to be upheld. While I have not seen the paperwork it takes to buy a team, there HAS to be something in there about this sort of thing. If a player was charged with multiple felonies for possession of a controlled substance and almost $30K in a duffle bag, Roger wouldn't wait to enact some sort of punishment. Of course Goodell is playing favorites here. He is just as obvious with this as he has been since day 1. Irsay, at the very least, should pay a hefty fine and be suspended for a portion of the season. Probably the best thing for him would be to step back and get his life in order.