We'll see about Bridgewater.
I tend to think that when the dust settles, Bortles will be the guy with the better career, and Bridgewater will wind up being another great college prospect who wallowed in mediocrity in the NFL,
The Jags got the best QB in this draft because Houston decided to go with Clowney, and my hope is we'll be eternally grateful for that move.
Quote:We'll see about Bridgewater.
I tend to think that when the dust settles, Bortles will be the guy with the better career, and Bridgewater will wind up being another great college prospect who wallowed in mediocrity in the NFL,
The Jags got the best QB in this draft because Houston decided to go with Clowney, and my hope is we'll be eternally grateful for that move.
I went back and watched more of Bortles this past week, and listened to interviews and just did some more overall research, and I came away thoroughly impressed. He's bright, big, tough, charismatic (which is important in leadership), throws a very nice deeper pass and doesn't seem afraid to do so when the opportunity presents itself, steps up in the pocket (how refreshing), and still has a bit of room for improvement/ potential once the coaches iron out some of the fixable area's like footwork. In addition to that, he's a gamer. Lots of come from behind victories.
I should have done more research on this player pre draft than I did. I based a lot of my pre draft Bortles opinion off of the SC game, and that wasn't fair to Blake.
Quote:I went back and watched more of Bortles this past week, and listened to interviews and just did some more overall research, and I came away thoroughly impressed. He's bright, big, tough, charismatic (which is important in leadership), throws a very nice deeper pass and doesn't seem afraid to do so when the opportunity presents itself, steps up in the pocket (how refreshing), and still has a bit of room for improvement/ potential once the coaches iron out some of the fixable area's like footwork. In addition to that, he's a gamer. Lots of come from behind victories.
I should have done more research on this player pre draft than I did. I based a lot of my pre draft Bortles opinion off of the SC game, and that wasn't fair to Blake.
Yet the SC game is the very one that most who don't like the pick fixate on. Kudos to you for at least doing some research and not locking in on one performance.
Quote:Savage will be a tough develop.
He has accuracy issues. Thats usually not an easy fix.
As I recall, you were pretty high on Savage.
Am I mistaken?
If not, what changed your mind, if anything?
Is it possible you liked Savage despite him having accuracy issues and that he would be tough to develop, or is this something you discovered after the fact that changed your mind?
Quote:As I recall, you were pretty high on Savage.
Am I mistaken?
If not, what changed your mind, if anything?
Is it possible you liked Savage despite him having accuracy issues and that he would be tough to develop, or is this something you discovered after the fact that changed your mind?
Yes, I was but for some reason, I was under the impression his accuracy was better than it actually is.
Now, I'm cooled a bit on him for that reason. Accuracy is important and hard to fix when broken.
Quote:We'll see about Bridgewater.
I tend to think that when the dust settles, Bortles will be the guy with the better career, and Bridgewater will wind up being another great college prospect who wallowed in mediocrity in the NFL,
The Jags got the best QB in this draft because Houston decided to go with Clowney, and my hope is we'll be eternally grateful for that move.
You may ultimately be right about Bridgewater, but I am still in the camp of his supporters.
Early reports (FWIW) have the team being so impressed with him, he's already getting reps with the first team.
He seems to have a lot of help. He has a good OL in front of him. He can hand the ball off to Peterson, and he has some good, experienced receivers. On top of that, he has an excellent offensive coordinator in Norv Turner.
That said, I sincerely hope your closing statement becomes true, and the best QB in this draft ends up as a Hall of Famer for the Jaguars.
I can definitely see the "poor man's Andrew Luck" comparisons with Blake.....and they aren't a stretch.
Quote:This, and laughing at pirksters comment that Savage can be developed.
Why not? Garrard was "developed" into a starter. It's not like there's much ahead of him.
Ditto Schaub, who was a third rounder and nothing special.
What better way to develop than as a QB without a lot of expectations?
Quote:You may ultimately be right about Bridgewater, but I am still in the camp of his supporters.
Early reports (FWIW) have the team being so impressed with him, he's already getting reps with the first team.
He seems to have a lot of help. He has a good OL in front of him. He can hand the ball off to Peterson, and he has some good, experienced receivers. On top of that, he has an excellent offensive coordinator in Norv Turner.
That said, I sincerely hope your closing statement becomes true, and the best QB in this draft ends up as a Hall of Famer for the Jaguars.
He is surrounded by a lot of talent, and more importantly, nobody is hitting the guy in the red jersey yet.
When the pressure is on and he's facing real defenders, we'll see what happens.
Quote:Why not? Garrard was "developed" into a starter. It's not like there's much ahead of him.
Ditto Schaub, who was a third rounder and nothing special.
What better way to develop than as a QB without a lot of expectations?
I hear ya, I guess the point would be - do you see Savage as developing into a "franchise caliber QB". Not sure if a David Garrard level player qualifies as that.
Quote:Why not? Garrard was "developed" into a starter. It's not like there's much ahead of him.
Ditto Schaub, who was a third rounder and nothing special.
What better way to develop than as a QB without a lot of expectations?
Exactly. This is the perfect opportunity for Bortles to be brought along at his own pace, and not that of the fans.
Savage is in a similar type of situation in Houston. Low expectations.
Quote:Yes, I was but for some reason, I was under the impression his accuracy was better than it actually is.
Now, I'm cooled a bit on him for that reason. Accuracy is important and hard to fix when broken.
Not really. Accuracy is usually due to footwork, which is easily fixed.
Where most fail are with improving their timing (speed of the game) and the mental game (identifying and beating defenses.)
Quote:Exactly. This is the perfect opportunity for Bortles to be brought along at his own pace, and not that of the fans.
Savage is in a similar type of situation in Houston. Low expectations.
I thought pirk was referencing Savage, there, not Bortles.
Quote:I hear ya, I guess the point would be - do you see Savage as developing into a "franchise caliber QB". Not sure if a David Garrard level player qualifies as that.
It's pretty much a given when you're drafted in the fourth round that isn't likely to happen.
Could he be your Schaub?
I don't see why not, with a little work.
Quote:I hear ya, I guess the point would be - do you see Savage as developing into a "franchise caliber QB". Not sure if a David Garrard level player qualifies as that.
Savage has his flaws. So did Garrard. David developed into an average starter. Savage could do the same. Nothing wrong with that, except for the fact that the Texans dumped a guy who was better than average in Schaub. It's not an equal swap.
Quote:Savage has his flaws. So did Garrard. David developed into an average starter. Savage could do the same. Nothing wrong with that, except for the fact that the Texans dumped a guy who was better than average in Schaub. It's not an equal swap.
Yes, thats pretty much how I see it.....
and hoping for it too...
The longer the Texans can go without a true franchise QB, the better for us and our chances.
Quote:I can definitely see the "poor man's Andrew Luck" comparisons with Blake.....and they aren't a stretch.
Why a poor man's Luck?
In watching Andrew Luck for a couple of years now, he's not a flawless technician. He's not a guy like Manning. He's good, don't get me wrong, but is he really in the same level as a Manning, Brady, or Rodgers? I don't think so. I think he's part of the next tier of QBs. I think that with work, Bortles can certainly get to the same level as a Luck.
Now, if we were talking about a guy we drafted in the 2nd round who we thought could develop into a Luck, then fine, he's a poor man's luck. Bortles is the 3rd pick in the draft, and the first QB taken this year. There's nothing poor about that.
Quote:It's pretty much a given when you're drafted in the fourth round that isn't likely to happen.
Could he be your Schaub?
I don't see why not, with a little work.
Yeah, the Garrard thing isn't a stretch for Savage....but the Schaub one is a little less likely.
As said in the other post. The chances of Savage becoming anything really good is probably remote.
Put it this way.....I'd rather be in the Jaguars position from an offensive standpoint going forward, than the Houston Texans position going forward.
Quote:Yes, thats pretty much how I see it.....
and hoping for it too...
The longer the Texans can go without a true franchise QB, the better for us and our chances.
I really think the Texans made a mistake dumping Schaub. Especially without a QB they could move forward with. Fitzpatrick is a journeyman. He's not a franchise guy. Savage has some of the tools, but he's a project. They've dug a deeper hole to get out of with a pretty talented roster.
If Bortles pans out, the dynamic of the entire division could change dramatically in the next year, especially with Houston and their QB situation, and the same for the titans. They've got a QB issue there too.
Should be fun to watch things play out.
Quote:Yeah, the Garrard thing isn't a stretch for Savage....but the Schaub one is a little less likely.
As said in the other post. The chances of Savage becoming anything really good is probably remote.
Put it this way.....I'd rather be in the Jaguars position from an offensive standpoint going forward, than the Houston Texans position going forward.
Agree. We wouldn't see nearly as much optimism for this team if we'd drafted Watkins or Mack with our first pick, then landed a guy like Savage later on in the draft.