Quote:I already did I couldn't remember how to spell Jauron so I looked up 1998 coacing staff.Dom Capers is current d coordinator for 3-4 Greenbay Packers defense too
Quote:Capers always ran the 3-4
This says otherwise.
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/te...splits.htm
I also remember otherwise. I remember that it was newsworthy that Coughlin insisted that Capers run a 4-3 when he was here. It was a blitz-heavy 4-3, but it was a 4-3, nevertheless.
And here is the prior year under Jauron. Also listed as a 4-3 defense.
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/te...x/1998.htm
Didn't Jauron run the 4-3 in buffalo?
Yeah, we never ran a 3-4 under Coughlin.
Despite their histories before and after their tenures as Jaguars DC, both Dom Capers and Dick Jauron ran a 4-3 defense, at Tom Coughlin's insistence.
The teams that run a 4-3 defense but have OLBs with high sack totals run some version of a hybrid in certain situations that frees up an OLB to rush the passer.
Quote:I already did I couldn't remember how to spell Jauron so I looked up 1998 coacing staff.Dom Capers is current d coordinator for 3-4 Greenbay Packers defense too
Capers ran a 4-3 under Coughlin. Coughlin has always been a 4-3 guy.
Quote:Didn't Jauron run the 4-3 in buffalo?
Yes. Chicago too.
I'm trying to figure out which Smith I'm more excited about. I see both becoming solid parts of our defense, whether as starters or in rotation. Telvin will definitely become a core leader on defense. That's been missing for awhile... the Mike Peterson type of player
Quote:Look, the whole pass rushing thing doesn't need to derail the thread though. I know that won't be the primary purpose of the guy. I never insinuated that it would be. I was simply saying that expecting 2-4 sacks from him each season isn't being unrealistic. It's really not anything more than that.
Sure, if you are only expecting a handful of sacks then we are all on pretty much the same page. No one should expect a Von Miller/Brian Orakpo/Justin Houston type sack total from a WLB that just isn't their role.
Being an FSU fan and watching everygame, I always thought Telvin was that kind of new age Linebacker that the league was gearing towards. As the passing game becomes more prominent in the game, the better your pass coverage needs to be. That means smaller, more athletic linebackers. Gone are the days of linebackers needing neck rolls, because nowadays your linebackers need to be able to run, more so than hit.
Quote:Chris Clemmons in FA was a huge addition, but I also REALLY Like Chris Smith, but Telvin is a 4-3 OLB he isn't going to be rushing the passer too often.
You probably should read the thread about the new "otto" LB position.
They want OLBs who can rush the passer and Telvin fits that bill. He is quick off the edge and can finish. Exactly what they want. A guy who can drop back or blitz.
Most of the time Telvin will be at WILL in coverage not rushing the passer. The OTTO role is for Dekoda Watson and LaRoy Reynolds. Rusing the passer is not Telvin's best strength.
As someone who thought Chris Smith would be taken in Round 2, with Round 3 being the latest he would be drafted, on paper getting him in Round 5 looks like a great decision by the Jaguars. Especially when factoring in Smith playing in the SEC and the demand for pass rushers being greater than the supply. Other than Chris Smith's height, what other reasons do you believe led to him being on the board until the Jaguars took in the middle of Round 5?
Quote:As someone who thought Chris Smith would be taken in Round 2, with Round 3 being the latest he would be drafted, on paper getting him in Round 5 looks like a great decision by the Jaguars. Especially when factoring in Smith playing in the SEC and the demand for pass rushers being greater than the supply. Other than Chris Smith's height, what other reasons do you believe led to him being on the board until the Jaguars took in the middle of Round 5?
The only reason he fell is because of his height.. I think Gus is gonna make him a very good player.
Quote:The only reason he fell is because of his height.. I think Gus is gonna make him a very good player.
Even with the 6-1" height, I thought Chris Smith's 34 + " arm length would compensate in large part in the evaluation process. Especially when adding Smith's production ( 18 sacks combined the last two season in the top Conference in the country ), upper body strength, and explosiveness. If a list of top ten draft steals on paper was put together, Chris Smith should get serious consideration.
Quote:Even with the 6-1" height, I thought Chris Smith's 34 + " arm length would compensate in large part in the evaluation process. Especially when adding Smith's production ( 18 sacks combined the last two season in the top Conference in the country ), upper body strength, and explosiveness. If a list of top ten draft steals on paper was put together, Chris Smith should get serious consideration.
lots of late round talent, smith, Colvin, other smith, that guard we got etc..
Height is probably the msin reason.
Most traditional 4-3 defenses want taller ends.
Most 3-4 teams didnt think he can play OLB.
On top of that, this draft was very deep so this tweener fell.
Luckily we have that LEO role where he could fit.
Quote:lots of late round talent, smith, Colvin, other smith, that guard we got etc..
Plenty of potential for sure. Yet, at least for me, in terms of the players the Jaguars drafted from Round 3 on, the only one that I really was surprised about lasting as long as he did was Chris Smith. Having said that, I was even more surprised that CB Rashaad Reynolds wasn't drafted at all. At least on paper, I think the Jaguars got 3 bargains in Marqise Lee, Chris Smith, and Rashaad Reynolds.
Quote:Height is probably the msin reason.
Most traditional 4-3 defenses want taller ends.
Most 3-4 teams didnt think he can play OLB.
On top of that, this draft was very deep so this tweener fell.
Luckily we have that LEO role where he could fit.
Good points.
However, even when taking what you expressed into account, players with Chris Smith's pass rush potential, that are productive in the top conference in the country, usually go much earlier than the middle of Round 5. Even if a team drafted Smith just to be a situation pass rusher and Special Teams player, he would probably warrant going noticeably earlier in the draft.