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3-4? I guess fantasy land is a decent place to live....

Quote:3-4? I guess fantasy land is a decent place to live....

 

Why can't he play 3-4 more solid years? 

I'm 90% sure the only players over 35 to have 1,000 yard seasons were Joey Galloway and Jerry rice....

Along with Cris Carter, our very own Jimmy Smith, Rod Smith, Bobby Engram, James Lofton, Terrell Owens, and Tim Brown. Reggie Wayne was on pace for it until he got hurt. Plus the greatest receivers regularly play past their mid 30's. Isaac Bruce, Randy Moss, Art Monk and Henry Ellard. Heck I'll even include Tony Gonazalez, he had to play an even more physical position than receiver and still put up great numbers. 

 

Andre's started every game the past two years and he's finished 2nd and 3rd in receiving yardage respectively, and he's only 32 years old. I can definitely see him breaking 15 K receiving yards all time and maybe even 16. It's not like he's showing any signs of regressing as player. 

Quote:There's definitely a market out there for Andre despite his contract. Many great receivers have put up great numbers in their mid 30's.

 

If you ask me, Andre has 3-4 1,000 yard season's left in him.

 

I doubt it.  Look at the numbers above.  If the target is 3-4 1,000 yard seasons, teams can find that for a heck of a lot less. 

ok so I was off by a few. I probably should have looked it up, I'm assuming you did. So that's what? 9 wrs in the history of the NFL to do it? Not great odds.

Quote:I doubt it.  Look at the numbers above.  If the target is 3-4 1,000 yard seasons, teams can find that for a heck of a lot less. 

 

At this point, Andre is still one of the best receivers in the NFL, even with the desperate QB situation in Houston. 

 

If he went to the Patriots? Even better, he'd be playing with Tom Brady throwing and not whatever random QB the Texans throw out there. Brady's able to work wonders with great receivers. Johnson/Gronk/Julian would be beyond nasty for any team. 

 

I see Johnson remaining one of the best in the NFL this season and maybe next depending on where he is. But who knows what'll happen? Age is a factor but it certainly doesn't seem to be holding him back at this point and time.

 

Money is a concern, but if I'm the Patriots, I'm definitely looking to make the most Brady's last few seasons. I'm sure they'd eat the salary for the potential of another SB run or two.

 

Quote:ok so I was off by a few. I probably should have looked it up, I'm assuming you did. So that's what? 9 wrs in the history of the NFL to do it? Not great odds.

 

I think the odds are pretty good actually. I mean, the receivers I named played past 35 and Andre is only 32. He had 1,400 yards last season, and he doesn't seem to have any health concerns at this point in his career, besides that injury in '11 which he's clearly bounced back from.

 

Plus he's already #17 all time in receiving. All the receivers above him have a few more seasons on him. 

Quote:At this point, Andre is still one of the best receivers in the NFL, even with the desperate QB situation in Houston. 

 

If he went to the Patriots? Even better, he'd be playing with Tom Brady throwing and not whatever random QB the Texans throw out there. Brady's able to work wonders with great receivers. Johnson/Gronk/Julian would be beyond nasty for any team. 

 

I see Johnson remaining one of the best in the NFL this season and maybe next depending on where he is. But who knows what'll happen? Age is a factor but it certainly doesn't seem to be holding him back at this point and time.

 

Money is a concern, but if I'm the Patriots, I'm definitely looking to make the most Brady's last few seasons. I'm sure they'd eat the salary for the potential of another SB run or two.

 

 

I think the odds are pretty good actually. I mean, the receivers I named played past 35 and Andre is only 32. He had 1,400 yards last season, and he doesn't seem to have any health concerns at this point in his career, besides that injury in '11 which he's clearly bounced back from.

 

Plus he's already #17 all time in receiving. All the receivers above him have a few more seasons on him. 

 

New England and Tom Brady have had an awful lot of success without a receiver like Johnson on the roster.  The case could be made that in the case of Brady, the QB makes the receiver.  I'd see them as one of the last teams to consider trading anything for that contract.

 

Nobody is arguing he's not one of the best in the league.  It's all about the money with him.  There aren't teams that will be happy to give up a high draft pick so they can eat that contract.

Quote:Geez, Johnson might want out, but he sure doesn't want to go to Cleveland (I think I am safe in inferring here). He wants to go to a contender at his age.

 

Contender is definitely a consideration, but one thing Cleveland has going for it is that his former Texans OC, Kyle Shannahan, is now the OC at the Browns and implenting an Kubiak type of offense that he's played virtually his entire career in.    I think it's a big thing for these veterans who have played almost their entire careers in the same offense.    It's like any other job where you're really good and comfortable at what you do, and just before you get ready to retire your employer completely changes the technology and wants to retrain you in a new skillset right before you ride off into the sunset.  

Quote:New England and Tom Brady have had an awful lot of success without a receiver like Johnson on the roster.  The case could be made that in the case of Brady, the QB makes the receiver.  I'd see them as one of the last teams to consider trading anything for that contract.

 

Nobody is arguing he's not one of the best in the league.  It's all about the money with him.  There aren't teams that will be happy to give up a high draft pick so they can eat that contract.

 

well if he did want out, any team that considered trading for him could do a pre-negotiated contract restructuring. 

Quote:well if he did want out, any team that considered trading for him could do a pre-negotiated contract restructuring. 

 

What incentive would there be for him?  In the end, the money is the motivation, and there's a LOT of money on the line if that was to happen. What if he doesn't want to renegotiate his contract?   Teams can't negotiate with him in advance of any deal getting done, so it's a moot point.

Quote:What incentive would there be for him?  In the end, the money is the motivation, and there's a LOT of money on the line if that was to happen. What if he doesn't want to renegotiate his contract?   Teams can't negotiate with him in advance of any deal getting done, so it's a moot point.

 

for example if the pats wanted to trade for him. they reach out to the texans and let them know whats up. texans give the pats permission to talk to andre and negotiate a deal for a new contract. that way the texans get something and the pats get andre after knowing they wont be spending crazy money, and andre gets his shot at a superbowl. 

 

 

edit: if he says no, then he stays with the texans who will likely wind up trying to restructure his deal themselves after the season or he might wind up getting cut. 

Quote:New England and Tom Brady have had an awful lot of success without a receiver like Johnson on the roster.  The case could be made that in the case of Brady, the QB makes the receiver.  I'd see them as one of the last teams to consider trading anything for that contract.

 

Nobody is arguing he's not one of the best in the league.  It's all about the money with him.  There aren't teams that will be happy to give up a high draft pick so they can eat that contract.

 

WHile a trade is unlikely, I would say amongst the leading teams that might trade for AJ would be New England.

 

They have placed an emphasis on acquiring veteran talent before, like Corey Dillon and Randy Moss.

 

They have made acquisitions this year indicating they are still in win now mode.

 

Certainly you can make arguments for or against the viability of a trade for AJ by any team, and TBH, it's more likely all of this blows over with AJ remaining a Texan.

 

But based on New England's prior history, I could see them taking a run on AJ if the price were right.

Quote:ahahahahaha, your move, trindon holiday....

And what move is that?,

Quote:WHile a trade is unlikely, I would say amongst the leading teams that might trade for AJ would be New England.

 

They have placed an emphasis on acquiring veteran talent before, like Corey Dillon and Randy Moss.

 

They have made acquisitions this year indicating they are still in win now mode.

 

Certainly you can make arguments for or against the viability of a trade for AJ by any team, and TBH, it's more likely all of this blows over with AJ remaining a Texan.

 

But based on New England's prior history, I could see them taking a run on AJ if the price were right.

 

I don't see New England giving up a 2nd (Dillon) or 4th (Moss) round pick for Johnson because of the money associated with the deal.

 

In the end, I fully expect to see Johnson on the texan roster. 

Quote:I don't see New England giving up a 2nd (Dillon) or 4th (Moss) round pick for Johnson because of the money associated with the deal.

 

In the end, I fully expect to see Johnson on the texan roster. 

 

Well...money more than anything else might scuttle any potential deal for AJ.

 

I just hope he retires.

Quote:Well...money more than anything else might scuttle any potential deal for AJ.

 

I just hope he retires.

 

There's a better chance he gets traded. 

Quote:There's a better chance he gets traded. 

 

yeah i would say right around 0% chance that AJ retires. 

Shame but AJ did that too himself. He'll be a future hall of famer but it'd be a shame to see him go out on a sour note.

Quote:Shame but AJ did that too himself. He'll be a future hall of famer but it'd be a shame to see him go out on a sour note.

No it wouldn't. He is a great player, but he is a Texan.


I want nothing good to happen on the field for that team. If he leaves on a sour note that means maybe things are not going well for the Texans.