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If the draft fell like this and Dave couldnt get any good trade offers who would you guys take in the 1st and 2nd round? My wish is Dave can get a decent trade back offer staying in the top 10 and picking up an extra 2nd round pick. If not and it falls like this who do yall got in the first 2 rounds?
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If the draft fell like this and Dave couldnt get any good trade offers who would you guys take in the 1st and 2nd round? My wish is Dave can get a decent trade back offer staying in the top 10 and picking up an extra 2nd round pick. If not and it falls like this who do yall got in the first 2 rounds?
If Garrett and Allen go 1 and 2 (which I don't see happening), I really hope they don't take Peppers or Adams. This team is losing the fight in the trenches. We need front 7 help.
With that being said, I wouldn't hate Fournette or Barnett or Foster.
If the draft fell like this, I'd trade down and take RB D'Onta Foreman, then I'd use the two 2nd round picks (one via the trade down) to add C/OG Pat Elflein and DE DeMarcus Walker. I'd use our two 3rd round picks (one via the trade down) on a RT, either Taylor Moton or Dion Dawkins. The other would be used on either a SS or CB, depending on who's the best available player. If Eddie Jackson was there (I doubt it), he would be the pick.
Jamal Adams is going to be an elite SS in the NFL imo. The guy has a lot of what I loved in Ramsey with how he acts on the field. He's a big hitter and can stuff the run and is pretty damn solid in coverage.
I agree building the front 7 is most important, but if Allen and Garrett is there you gotta go BPA. I think at that point, Jamal Adams is that. I will agree that there's no way Peppers should be in considering, but I think Adams is on a different tier than Peppers.
I hope Tim Williams wrecks the combine and co. and is under consideration as I expect him to jump up the boards. He's another guy I think could be one of our possible targets.
Barnett I like but I think he's not likely to be at the top. Think he's more 10-15 in the draft. I do like him though.
No Mock draft is realistic in December. Evaluators are still only compiling data and waiting for combine results, pro-days player histories, interviews, etc. In the over obsessive analytics age, algorithms have to be developed with weighted averages. You don't even have a consensus top 10 right now.
So much is going to change between now and May, who knows how Caldwell will blow this one. Just be certain that if there is a consensus top 5 player that will flop, Dave will find him. Ramsey is an anomaly, don't let one off year discourage you. 3 out of 4 busts in the top 5 is pretty incredible.
Quote:No Mock draft is realistic in December. Evaluators are still only compiling data and waiting for combine results, pro-days player histories, interviews, etc. In the over obsessive analytics age, algorithms have to be developed with weighted averages. You don't even have a consensus top 10 right now.
So much is going to change between now and May, who knows how Caldwell will blow this one. Just be certain that if there is a consensus top 5 player that will flop, Dave will find him. Ramsey is an anomaly, don't let one off year discourage you. 3 out of 4 busts in the top 5 is pretty incredible.
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Quote:No Mock draft is realistic in December. Evaluators are still only compiling data and waiting for combine results, pro-days player histories, interviews, etc. In the over obsessive analytics age, algorithms have to be developed with weighted averages. You don't even have a consensus top 10 right now.
So much is going to change between now and May, who knows how Caldwell will blow this one. Just be certain that if there is a consensus top 5 player that will flop, Dave will find him. Ramsey is an anomaly, don't let one off year discourage you. 3 out of 4 busts in the top 5 is pretty incredible.
not really, the top gets shuffled around a little but pretty much everyone that got mocked in the top 13 or so picks last year went at the top
Only reason I don't like it is because Feeney wouldn't be there in the 2nd round for us
Quote:not really, the top gets shuffled around a little but pretty much everyone that got mocked in the top 13 or so picks last year went at the top
Agreed for the most part.
There will be some changes, but Ramsey/Bosa/Zeke/Buckner/Stanley etc. were all supposed to be at the top last year. As was Tunsil (would have if not for that photo during draft night).
Most these names projected top 10-15 will be exactly that, in the top 10-15 picks.
Jamal Adams is not going top 3. Jesus why do people act like they've never seen a draft. If both Allen and Garrett are gone then I will bet anything we will be drafting Barnett.
Trade back and pick up more picks.....we kinda sux at high first round picks. :yes:
Some of the best players are 10 and above. :thumbsup:
Quote:Jamal Adams is not going top 3. Jesus why do people act like they've never seen a draft. If both Allen and Garrett are gone then I will bet anything we will be drafting Barnett.
There hasnt been a safety viewed as highly as Adams coming out of college since Berry that I can remember. He went top 5.
Quote:There hasnt been a safety viewed as highly as Adams coming out of college since Berry that I can remember. He went top 5.
He went 5, and that's exactly the ceiling for Adams. no DB has went higher than 5 since Woodson back in 1998. Adams ain't changing that now. That's also why I always knew Ramsey would be there when we picked last year. Everyone was talking about him going top 3 and I knew it wasn't happening. DB's do not have the positional value to go top 3, Adams is not the player to change that. Besides, if we draff any DB with our pick it should be Malik Hooker. When you're drafting top 3 it's either QB, pass rusher, or OT. Obviously we will take the pass rusher, and Barnett is every bit worth a top 3 pick if Dante Fowler could be picked top 3 in 2015.
Quote:There hasnt been a safety viewed as highly as Adams coming out of college since Berry that I can remember. He went top 5.
A lot had Mark Barron pretty high
Adams is not as good as Berry as a prospect though
Landon Collins should of been drafted top 10. I thought he was the best safety prospect to come out since Berry and he was been one of the best defenders in the league this year
Quote:He went 5, and that's exactly the ceiling for Adams. no DB has went higher than 5 since Woodson back in 1998. Adams ain't changing that now. That's also why I always knew Ramsey would be there when we picked last year. Everyone was talking about him going top 3 and I knew it wasn't happening. DB's do not have the positional value to go top 3, Adams is not the player to change that. Besides, if we draff any DB with our pick it should be Malik Hooker. When you're drafting top 3 it's either QB, pass rusher, or OT. Obviously we will take the pass rusher, and Barnett is every bit worth a top 3 pick if Dante Fowler could be picked top 3 in 2015.
There is no OT close to being worth a top 5 pick in this draft right now. Cam Robinson has off the field issues and some serious problems on the field. He's like a mid/late 1st imo. Generally, most have mocked him there too.
What other guys do you seriously think is worth top 5? This draft has a lot of talent but unless Barnett and Tim Williams show out, what DL/OL do you see? We obviously aren't going QB top 5 unless a coach drastically changes Caldwell's opinion.
You aren't going to say "no way in hell" to a SS at 3 or 4 if he's "fine" to take at 5. That's just dumb. If there is prospects forcing him to have a ceiling at 5, fine, but otherwise...
Quote:A lot had Mark Barron pretty high
True...he was close.
Quote:There is no OT close to being worth a top 5 pick in this draft right now.
That's my point.
Quote:What other guys do you seriously think is worth top 5? This draft has a lot of talent but unless Barnett and Tim Williams show out, what DL/OL do you see? We obviously aren't going QB top 5 unless a coach drastically changes Caldwell's opinion.
You aren't going to say "no way in hell" to a SS at 3 or 4 if he's "fine" to take at 5. That's just dumb. If there is prospects forcing him to have a ceiling at 5, fine, but otherwise...
There's no ifs ands or buts about it I think Barnett will be the pick if both Allen and Garrett are gone. And againt, if any DB gets drafted with our 3rd overall pick, it should be Malik Hooker, not Jamal Adams.
Quote:He went 5, and that's exactly the ceiling for Adams. no DB has went higher than 5 since Woodson back in 1998. Adams ain't changing that now. That's also why I always knew Ramsey would be there when we picked last year. Everyone was talking about him going top 3 and I knew it wasn't happening. DB's do not have the positional value to go top 3, Adams is not the player to change that. Besides, if we draff any DB with our pick it should be Malik Hooker. When you're drafting top 3 it's either QB, pass rusher, or OT. Obviously we will take the pass rusher, and Barnett is every bit worth a top 3 pick if Dante Fowler could be picked top 3 in 2015.
so 5 is ok to draft an elite safety but you dont wanna take that elite safety at 3 because he is a safety? seems a little ignorant and short sighted.