Get him in there with all his weapons, most of them are brand new and brought in for him and the returning targets in shorts Lewis sanders and brown need to get acclimated to him if they want to keep their jobs. Have the youngest offense in the league, at least at skill positions and let them grow together worked for manning and colt as well as Aikmen and cowboys.
Sit him for now.If Henne gets hurt you play him if he plays well you keep Bortles even if Henne is healthy. Now if he straight out beats him in the preseason I think you have to play him, which I believe they would.
I answered "maybe". If he's ready on week one, you start him. If he's not, you wait. I would say that I fully support starting him earlier rather than later. I hate this cliché of "sit and learn". You learn the most by DOING, not by SITTING and not by WATCHING. I'll bet Bortles has been watching NFL games his whole life. Watching a few more isn't going to magically change him into a completely different player. I also hate this excuse that somehow Gabbert got ruined by starting early. He did not. He just didn't have what it takes. Plenty of quarterbacks have started early and done fine. You could have sat Gabbert for five year and he still would have sucked. I think people over-complicate this. Bortles should play when he's better than Henne. You can also maybe make the argument that if it's close, Bortles gets the nod too because of the opportunity to learn and his long term upside. Sit out the whole year? Are people crazy? Caldwell and Bradley only make reference to it because they want to lower expectations. They don't want the fans chanting for Bortles the second that Henne throws his first interception or the Jaguars lose their first game. I bet secretly that Caldwell and Bradley will be extremely disappointed if Bortles isn't starting by mid-season. I will be too.
At this point he pretty much knows how to play the game.
He'll be working on fixing fundamentals, learning the playbook and all that comes with running the offense, and adjusting to NFL speed.
None of which playing time is essential for. He's had plenty of that all his life. The things he needs to work on he'll have plenty of time for in his backup role.
Depending on record and how the team is doing...I could see Bortles starting week 11 after we come back from the bye...
Don't just send him out there because he's "Better than Henne". If his mechanics are good, and you think he won't develop any new bad habits by starting him, then you start him if he wins the job.
Doing is not the best way of learning at the QB position when you start out, because when you start out you can develop some bad habits that way. By waiting if necessary, you avoid new bad habits.
He could be ready by Week 1. He could be ready by week 9. I would no more pencil in a date for him to start, than I would eliminate any possibility of him starting at any point.
I'll have to wait until I see him in camp.
I don't believe in sitting him the entire year, but I do believe he should win the starting job and not be handed it. So if he proves he's more ready than expected, he should be rightfully rewarded.
Quote:I'll have to wait until I see him in camp.
I don't believe in sitting him the entire year, but I do believe he should win the starting job and not be handed it. So if he proves he's more ready than expected, he should be rightfully rewarded.
Fair comment.
Quote:Don't just send him out there because he's "Better than Henne". If his mechanics are good, and you think he won't develop any new bad habits by starting him, then you start him if he wins the job.
Doing is not the best way of learning at the QB position when you start out, because when you start out you can develop some bad habits that way. By waiting if necessary, you avoid new bad habits.
He could be ready by Week 1. He could be ready by week 9. I would no more pencil in a date for him to start, than I would eliminate any possibility of him starting at any point.
I 100% agree with the last sentence, but you can't leave a superior player on the bench. You are willfully lowering your chances of winning football games, not to mention pissing off every player in that locker room whos own career is dependent on a QB not throwing the ball at their feet or running into pass rushers.
He isn't going to develop any more bad habits by playing than he would develop good habits by sitting on the bench. Coaching doesn't stop because he is the starter.
Then, it was time to get back to work.
Bortles planned to get in his truck and drive up to Jacksonville on Sunday to begin preparations with his new employer. The local-kid-turned-face-of-the-franchise will be brought along slowly in his rookie season with the Jaguars, but the former UCF star is not one to be satisfied with idly watching from the bench. It's time to "start to get after it, start to compete," Bortles said. "I am going to get into the playbook and start learning as much as I can."
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/co...0719.story
Quote:He isn't going to develop any more bad habits by playing than he would develop good habits by sitting on the bench. Coaching doesn't stop because he is the starter.
If he's thrown in before he's ready, he will. You can't rush it. Being better than Henne is not a big accomplishment. You don't sit him just to sit him. But you don't throw him out there just because he's better than our backup QB. You put him out there once he's ready for the NFL.
Quote:If he's thrown in before he's ready, he will. You can't rush it. Being better than Henne is not a big accomplishment. You don't sit him just to sit him. But you don't throw him out there just because he's better than our backup QB. You put him out there once he's ready for the NFL.
What could happen in a game that wont happen in practice that is going to lead to a bad habit? He already has a bunch of bad habits and its the coaching staffs job to identify them and for everyone to work together to fix them. Its a heck of a lot easier to identify bad habits in real games with real bullets too.
Nobody says this about other positions, I'm 90% sure Robinson and Linder will start day 1 because there is nobody better and we don't have a thread for them. I don't get why people think its different for QBs.
Quote:What could happen in a game that wont happen in practice that is going to lead to a bad habit? He already has a bunch of bad habits and its the coaching staffs job to identify them and for everyone to work together to fix them. Its a heck of a lot easier to identify bad habits in real games with real bullets too.
Nobody says this about other positions, I'm 90% sure Robinson and Linder will start day 1 because there is nobody better and we don't have a thread for them. I don't get why people think its different for QBs.
Alright, so why did Blaine Gabbert look good in practice, and then look like Plain Garbage in a game?
Nobody says it about the other positions, because the other positions don't need to be refined nearly as much. It's quite possible Bortles will be NFL-Ready by week 1. But it could also take some time. You want him as prepared as he can be, before throwing him out there. That way you avoid developing new bad habits.
IMO give the kid (Bortles) time to learn the playbook and calls, this is a new system and we cannot expect him to direct traffic the way he needs to if he doesn't know the playbook. Also these are new receivers, give him a year to work with him to get timing down, IMO this offense is all about timing and route running and stuff like that takes times. Would he do better than Gabbert right away, ofcourse, mainly because he has a lot better weapons. If we allow Bortles times to get comfortable in the system and get the "chemistry" with the receives we may see a similar results like GB saw with Rodgers, now i'm not saying the guys is going to be like him, but Rodgers came in with great chemistry, knew where his receivers were going to be all the time and he never missed a step because he knew the playbook front to back.
Quote:Alright, so why did Blaine Gabbert look good in practice, and then look like Plain Garbage in a game?
Nobody says it about the other positions, because the other positions don't need to be refined nearly as much. It's quite possible Bortles will be NFL-Ready by week 1. But it could also take some time. You want him as prepared as he can be, before throwing him out there. That way you avoid developing new bad habits.
Because playing QB is significantly easier in practice when nobody is hitting you than in a real game. What does that prove other than Gabbert sucks? Gabbert's biggest problem was not dealing with pressure, I'm not sure a year or even 10 years of practicing without dealing with real pressure is going to help that.
You've still not indicated what bad habits these could be? If his mechanics or decision making or footwork are going to get worse and he is going to develop new bad habits from simply doing what he's been doing his whole life albeit at a higher level, we drafted the wrong guy. If he is going to get gun shy after throwing a few picks, having a bad game or suffering a losing streak, we drafted the wrong guy. No amount of prep will fix it if he is going to regress the moment the bullets are live.
This is Bortles' team now and at some point he is going to have to deal with adversity. We can't protect him from failure forever.
Quote:WUT?
You mean to tell me that we just totally wasted the number three pick in the draft on a guy that doesn't have all of the NFL quarterback qualities absolutely expected of him right away?
You do NOT draft a quarterback at number three to develop him.
The talent doesn't match the pick value, find another player that does.
Caldwell has just diluted the value of pick three.
What a terrible job of assets management.
This calls for David Caldwell's resignation. Bradley, too.
WOW! This coming from somebody that "knows football". Go back to playing Madden.
Quote:I 100% agree with the last sentence, but you can't leave a superior player on the bench. You are willfully lowering your chances of winning football games, not to mention [BAD WORD REMOVED] off every player in that locker room whos own career is dependent on a QB not throwing the ball at their feet or running into pass rushers.
He isn't going to develop any more bad habits by playing than he would develop good habits by sitting on the bench. Coaching doesn't stop because he is the starter.
Actually, it does. Once you're in the regular season, they are focused solely on the game plan, not cleaning up fundamentals, etc. With a backup, you can still do that, but there's not time for that with the starter.
Quote:We can't protect him from failure forever.
You couldn't be farther off base if you think that's what they're doing.
Quote:Don't forget Phillip Rivers was drafted in the Top 5, and he sat for two years.
Impossible! That can't be! It goes against some rule a message board poster made up.
If he can't beat out Henne, it's a wasted pick, especially at 3. In this day and age in the NFL, a first round QB, not just a top 5, should be the starter. Unfortunate. But it is.