Let me preface this by saying I'm definitely willing to give Blake another year, especially with a new staff and summer in Cal.
But if we move on soon, I doubt we spend another 1st on a QB yet, but do we need to anyway?
Obviously there's a much better track record for first round QB talents, you can't argue that, but it seems that more and more, you're finding good QBs in later rounds. Here's a few examples:
Brady (obviously)
Favre (round 2)
Romo (undrafted)
Wilson (round 3)
Cousins (round 4)
Dak (round 4)
Carr (round 2)
Then you have some guys who have shown some promise like McCarron, Savage (one game), Garrapolo.
Now again, I'm not saying we shouldn't take a first round QB. I would potentially take say Lamar Jackson on the first next year, but I think there's been an over-valued opinion on guys who are the "prototypical" QB size. That's how Bortles rise up draft boards to begin with.
Washington took Cousins the same year they traded the farm to get RG3.
I would be behind going the NE style route and drafting a mid round QB every year and seeing how they develop.
TLDR: Don't necessarily need a 1st round QB. A lot of later round success stories.
Drew Brees can technically be added to the list as well. Brees was drafted by the Chargers with pick # 32 at the top of Round 2 in 2001. There were still only 31 teams in the draft.
All of what you say is true, but the percentages are really low. Sometimes teams strike gold. I'm not saying we shouldn't try though. This team has never had an elite QB. They should draft as many as they can over the next few years until they finally hit, the position is that important.
Other franchise QBs not drafted in the first round:
Joe Montana (round 3)
Steve Young (undrafted)
Kurt Warner (undraftted)
Andy Dalton (round 2)
Also don't forget our guy Mark Brunell was not Green Bay's first round pick.
Of course, the opposite also happens - first round picks bust out of the NFL.
in addition, one of the greats, David Garrard
Quote:Other franchise QBs not drafted in the first round:
Joe Montana (round 3)
Steve Young (undrafted)
Kurt Warner (undraftted)
Andy Dalton (round 2)
Also don't forget our guy Mark Brunell was not Green Bay's first round pick.
Of course, the opposite also happens - first round picks bust out of the NFL.
Some good examples, though Steve Young was taken at the top of the 1984 Supplemental Draft of players that already signed with USFL Teams.
Quote:Some good examples, though Steve Young was taken at the top of the 1984 Supplemental Draft of players that already signed with USFL Teams.
I included him because he was not drafted by an NFL team. To exclude him you might as well not include Kurt Warner either.
Quote:I included him because he was not drafted by an NFL team. To exclude him you might as well not include Kurt Warner either.
That's understandable.
However, in context of the theme of the thread, Steve Young would have easily been a top 5 draft pick if he already didn't sign with the LA Express or another USFL Team. On the other side of the coin, Kurt Warner fits the description of a QB who was overlooked in the draft process and took the long road to establish himself in the NFL,
Quote:All of what you say is true, but the percentages are really low. Sometimes teams strike gold. I'm not saying we shouldn't try though. This team has never had an elite QB. They should draft as many as they can over the next few years until they finally hit, the position is that important.
Absolutely, the odds of your first round QB being good are significantly higher. It does seem that there's been a decent amount more success in mid rounds than there used to be.
Quote:Absolutely, the odds of your first round QB being good are significantly higher. It does seem that there's been a decent amount more success in mid rounds than there used to be.
The added benefit of being able to hit on a QB outside the 1st Round is the player will have a bargain basement type of contract for his first 3 seasons. That's a huge reason why the Seahawks won a Super Bowl and came very close to winning another one the following season. They were able to sign UFAs like Cliff Avril and Michael Bennett, to have a deep DE rotation.
When we see this quarterbacks who were picked after round 1 or undrafted and play like first round picks, the obvious question is, "Why weren't they first round picks?" In a draft redo, Dak Prescott would be who the Rams traded up for, not Jared Goff. Two years ago, Derek Carr would have been the first overall pick in a draft redo.
Quote:When we see this quarterbacks who were picked after round 1 or undrafted and play like first round picks, the obvious question is, "Why weren't they first round picks?" In a draft redo, Dak Prescott would be who the Rams traded up for, not Jared Goff. Two years ago, Derek Carr would have been the first overall pick in a draft redo.
Time will tell, but as an experiment I would love to put Goff on Dallas and I expect similar results. It's not like Prescott is lighting up the night sky with his passing.
Put Dak on the Rams... ?
Put Bortles on Dallas next.
Stats don't tell the whole story obviously.
Quote:Time will tell, but as an experiment I would love to put Goff on Dallas and I expect similar results. It's not like Prescott is lighting up the night sky with his passing.
Put Dak on the Rams... ?
Put Bortles on Dallas next.
Stats don't tell the whole story obviously.
You logic is flawed when you mentioned Bortles. None of the three below average backups did anything for Dallas.
Rich Gannon was a 4th round pick
Trent Green was an 8th round and Dan Fouts was a 3rd round pick
Quote:Dak was a 4th rounder.
My bad. Edited.
Quote:Let me preface this by saying I'm definitely willing to give Blake another year, especially with a new staff and summer in Cal.
But if we move on soon, I doubt we spend another 1st on a QB yet, but do we need to anyway?
Obviously there's a much better track record for first round QB talents, you can't argue that, but it seems that more and more, you're finding good QBs in later rounds. Here's a few examples:
Brady (obviously)
Favre (round 2)
Romo (undrafted)
Wilson (round 3)
Cousins (round 4)
Dak (round 4)
Carr (round 2)
Then you have some guys who have shown some promise like McCarron, Savage (one game), Garrapolo.
Now again, I'm not saying we shouldn't take a first round QB. I would potentially take say Lamar Jackson on the first next year, but I think there's been an over-valued opinion on guys who are the "prototypical" QB size. That's how Bortles rise up draft boards to begin with.
Washington took Cousins the same year they traded the farm to get RG3.
I would be behind going the NE style route and drafting a mid round QB every year and seeing how they develop.
TLDR: Don't necessarily need a 1st round QB. A lot of later round success stories.
I agree with all of this except 1st sentence.
I think Brunell was a 2nd rounder.