The consensus on the mock drafts has the Jaguars staying at 3 and selecting Mack or Watkins. I would much rather see Bortles be the pick; I agree that he needs some clipboard time, but I think Henne and the Jags can give that to him even if he is picked at 3. However, if I had to pick between Mack and Watkins, it would have to be Mack. I think we see Wide Recievers get picked top five every year. In the last 20 years, only one such wide receiver got to the Super Bowl with the team that drafted him, that was Larry Fitzgerald. Picking passrusher or QB is a much better decision
I would prefer an impact player over a developmental player at #3. I would be happy with Mack or Watkins.
What do you guys think if that if we stayed there and with Mack and Watkins on the Board we select Mike Evans? I am only saying this because its one name I have not seen mocked to the Jags unless we traded back. I am guessing this is possible, with the theory that most mocks are wrong come draft day. So this would be a semi-surprise but still a good fit. what do you all think?
Quote:What do you guys think if that if we stayed there and with Mack and Watkins on the Board we select Mike Evans? I am only saying this because its one name I have not seen mocked to the Jags unless we traded back. I am guessing this since most mocks/ fan perception is wrong come draft day. SO this would be a semi-surprise but still a good fit. what do you all think?
Too high for him with so many other good WRs in this draft.
Khalil Mack?
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He sucks. Pay extra close attention to 0:52 thru about 1:20
http://youtu.be/zTPtgf0s4ew
Let's all not draft him and let him fall to Buffalo. They made him. They should draft him. What will they do if Mack lands on their laps?
Nice....pass on a player due to 28 seconds of bad footage.
Quote:Khalil Mack?
He sucks. Pay extra close attention to 0:52 thru about 1:20
Let's all not draft him and let him fall to Buffalo. They made him. They should draft him. What will they do if Mack lands on their laps?
You mean one play where he got blocked?
Hmmmm...I think if teams get a hold of that footage he will probably go undrafted.
Quote:However, if I had to pick between Mack and Watkins, it would have to be Mack. I think we see Wide Recievers get picked top five every year. In the last 20 years, only one such wide receiver got to the Super Bowl with the team that drafted him, that was Larry Fitzgerald. Picking passrusher or QB is a much better decision
Using flawed metrics to validate flawed thoughts. Wide Receivers do not get drafted top 5 every year, and basing a player's worth on whether he played in the Super Bowl is ridiculous and unrealistic expectations. Only 3 QB's in the past 20 years have made it to the Super Bowl with the team that drafted him, which isn't statistically significant to justify drafting one position over another.
Here's a stat for ya: In the last 20 years, 40% of QB's drafted in the top 5 have turned out to be busts, while only 25% of Wide Receivers turned out to be busts. Picking the player and not the position is a much better decision,
If you're looking for a name that literally nobody has mentioned, what about a guy like Aaron Donald. Not saying it's even remotely a possibility, but stranger things have happened. He's probably the second best DL prospect in the darft.
Quote:Khalil Mack?
He sucks. Pay extra close attention to 0:52 thru about 1:20
How does that play show he sucks?
Quote:How does that play show he sucks?
If you think for a moment about who you are asking, you wouldn't bother asking in the first place.
Dave Caldwell was pretty clear he is not picking a QB who is not ready to play that early and Bortles is the least ready QB, he is too raw to pick that high
Quote:Khalil Mack?
He sucks. Pay extra close attention to 0:52 thru about 1:20
Let's all not draft him and let him fall to Buffalo. They made him. They should draft him. What will they do if Mack lands on their laps?
I'm sure there's plenty of footage of your beloved Mathews or Robinson getting burnt by DE plenty of times. You can not judge a player off of one play . Go somewhere else jungle kitty
I also agree with the Bortles pick, with some time learning the ropes behind Henne I think he will become the best QB from this draft.
As much as I would like to pick Bortles I think Mack will end up being the pick here, which I wouldn't be mad about. With Bradley's genius defensive mind and Mack's aggressiveness, versatility, and dominance I think he can develope into one of the most feared guys in the NFL
You have to actually watch the whole video, not just one play. I wasn't impressed with this game footage. He was getting pushed around quite a bit.
Quote:Khalil Mack?
He sucks. Pay extra close attention to 0:52 thru about 1:20
Let's all not draft him and let him fall to Buffalo. They made him. They should draft him. What will they do if Mack lands on their laps?
oh jungle kitty... Your as silly as the mad puppy.
Quote:The consensus on the mock drafts has the Jaguars staying at 3 and selecting Mack or Watkins. I would much rather see Bortles be the pick; I agree that he needs some clipboard time, but I think Henne and the Jags can give that to him even if he is picked at 3. However, if I had to pick between Mack and Watkins, it would have to be Mack. I think we see Wide Recievers get picked top five every year. In the last 20 years, only one such wide receiver got to the Super Bowl with the team that drafted him, that was Larry Fitzgerald. Picking passrusher or QB is a much better decision
So the argument is to go Mack because only one top five WR made the SB with the team that drafted him over the past 20 years. So how many top five LBs made it to the SB with the team that drafted him over the past 20 years? Let's see...
You can't say Von Miller because he was injured throughout the Broncos Super Bowl year. The Seahawks who just won the SB last year drafted LB Aaron Curry in 2009, however, but he's now a major bust having left for the Raiders in 2011 before being cut by the Giants in the offseason last year. AJ Hawk was the #5 pick by the Packers in 2006, and he helped them win the Super Bowl in February 2011, so that's one. Lavar Arrington was the #2 pick in 2000 and Kevin Hardy was the #2 pick in 1996, but neither player ever made it to the SB. Trev Alberts was the fifth overall pick by the Colts in '94, but he's known as one of the biggest busts in league history having played only two seasons before retiring due to injuries. Alberts carreer stats include 7 starts, 4 sacks, 3 forced fumbles and 1 INT.
So over the past 20 years only one LB (AJ Hawk) made it to the SB with the team that drafted him. So why should the Jaguars go Mack over Watkins?
Quote:You have to actually watch the whole video, not just one play. I wasn't impressed with this game footage. He was getting pushed around quite a bit.
What about Von Miller in his senior season. Half of his games he was a virtual nothing, and against some very inferior competition. You really, really can't just look at individual games when you are scouting pass rushers. The position just isn't designed to have a consistent every game impact. In fact, I would say that Mack is actually about as consistent as any pass rusher I have seen recently.
0 Sacks in all of these:
Stephen F Austin - 0 solo 1 assisted tackle
Louisiana Tech - 0 solo 2 assisted
Florida International - 3 solo 0 assisted
Kansas - 2 solo 2 assisted
Oklahoma State - 1 solo 1 assisted
Quote: The position just isn't designed to have a consistent every down impact.
When I watched the video this is what I saw. I do think there is consistency in the impact on every game, it just isn't from a statistical standpoint.
Quote:What about Von Miller in his senior season. Half of his games he was a virtual nothing, and against some very inferior competition. You really, really can't just look at individual games when you are scouting pass rushers. The position just isn't designed to have a consistent every game impact. In fact, I would say that Mack is actually about as consistent as any pass rusher I have seen recently.
0 Sacks in all of these:
Stephen F Austin - 0 solo 1 assisted tackle
Louisiana Tech - 0 solo 2 assisted
Florida International - 3 solo 0 assisted
Kansas - 2 solo 2 assisted
Oklahoma State - 1 solo 1 assisted
Good post, ky.
A pass rusher can fail 90% of the naps and still make it to Canton.