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Quote:Nah you wouldnt want that. Who would be here to educate you then? 

I'm not going anywhere.

They aren't taking Matthews.

Quote:They aren't taking Matthews.

Not at 3, but they could be preparing for a trade down contingency.

Quote:Not at 3, but they could be preparing for a trade down contingency.

Jake Matthews is not likely to make it out of the top three to five. How do you hide a 6' 5" 308 Lbs. elite offensive lineman with at least a Pro Bowl grade?

 

It's not like you can paint his toenails red and stick him in a cherry tree.

Quote:Jake Matthews is not likely to make it out of the top three to five. How do you hide a 6' 5" 308 Lbs. elite offensive lineman with at least a Pro Bowl grade?

 

It's not like you can paint his toenails red and stick him in a cherry tree.

 

Easy. Behind a 6'5" 320 Elite OT

Smokescreen?

Quote:Easy. Behind a 6'5" 320 Elite OT

That can't be Robinson as he can't pass-block. He's a much weightier is than that, which may present a dearth of girthability also.

I would have no problem with Matthews, you can never have enough talent on the Lines, no matter what QB we get or have they will not be as good as they can be with out a O-Line that can get it done.

Quote:I would have no problem with Matthews, you can never have enough talent on the Lines, no matter what QB we get or have they will not be as good as they can be with out a O-Line that can get it done.

 

Well, I guess thats almost English. :unsure: 

 

 

Either way, Matthews at 3 would be getting a future HOF player at the position. 

The more I think about it, the more sense it makes to take Matthews at 3. I have been reading some commentators lately about how Mack may not fit our scheme. So IF Mack does not fit our scheme (and I'm not saying he doesn't, but just for the sake of argument let's say he doesn't) and if Clowney and Watkins are off the board, and we cannot trade down, who is the safest pick at that point? If we take Matthews and kick Paztor to guard, that leaves us with only a hole at center. So, first round pick is Matthews, second round pick is QB or C, and third round pick is C or QB. Alternatively, second round pick is a WR, third round pick is a C or QB. That would be a solid draft that filled some needs.


I could really see this. Especially since watching a great offensive line is so much fun.

Quote:The more I think about it, the more sense it makes to take Matthews at 3. I have been reading some commentators lately about how Mack may not fit our scheme. So IF Mack does not fit our scheme (and I'm not saying he doesn't, but just for the sake of argument let's say he doesn't) and if Clowney and Watkins are off the board, and we cannot trade down, who is the safest pick at that point? If we take Matthews and kick Paztor to guard, that leaves us with only a hole at center. So, first round pick is Matthews, second round pick is QB or C, and third round pick is C or QB. That would be a solid draft that filled some needs.


I could really see this. Especially since watching a great offensive line is so much fun.

 

I don't know if your last sentence was sarcasm or not, but otherwise, I agree with the post. 

Quote:I don't know if your last sentence was sarcasm or not, but otherwise, I agree with the post.

It's not sarcasm. A great offensive line is a thing of beauty. All great offense starts with a great offensive line.

Quote:It's not sarcasm. A great offensive line is a thing of beauty. All great offense starts with a great offensive line.

 

I agree. And with passing becoming more prominent, I think having 2 TOP level Tackles is essential. 

 

As much as we think Pasztor is "okay"....he's not the complete player that Matthews is. Matthews could be HOF caliber. 

 

ANd before someone else chimes in with "wasted pick since we traded Monroe"....I don't think so. I think the Tackle set up is MUCH better with Joeckel at OLT and Matthews at ORT instead of any combo of Monroe/ Joeckel. 

I don't see Matthews being thrilled to take a back seat to Joekel again.  He has been waiting to play the premier position of LT for a while.  I don't think he will want to go back to playing RT.  In that case, we would not be able to retain both long term (>5 years).

Quote:I agree. And with passing becoming more prominent, I think having 2 TOP level Tackles is essential. 

 

As much as we think Pasztor is "okay"....he's not the complete player that Matthews is. Matthews could be HOF caliber. 

 

ANd before someone else chimes in with "wasted pick since we traded Monroe"....I don't think so. I think the Tackle set up is MUCH better with Joeckel at OLT and Matthews at ORT instead of any combo of Monroe/ Joeckel.

It's not a sexy pick that will get the fans excited, but they will enjoy the games a lot more without even knowing why.

Quote:I don't see Matthews being thrilled to take a back seat to Joekel again.  He has been waiting to play the premier position of LT for a while.  I don't think he will want to go back to playing RT.  In that case, we would not be able to retain both long term (>5 years).

 

At this point, it's not really under his control.

Quote:I don't see Matthews being thrilled to take a back seat to Joekel again.  He has been waiting to play the premier position of LT for a while.  I don't think he will want to go back to playing RT.  In that case, we would not be able to retain both long term (>5 years).

I'd worry about that five years from now. A lot can change in five years.

Quote:"smokescreen"

 

LOL...

 

It would be dereliction of duty not to do your homework on the top prospects.

 

To those against the idea... say for the sake of argument, we've preliminarily selected Mack.  The phone rings and in comes a trade we can't refuse, even though we're sold on Mack.  Maybe it's ATL, who missed out on Clowney and don't want to do the same with Mack.

 

You never know what scenario you may be facing.  If we were in the position to draft and he's available, they would need to have the information they need to make the right call.  We could certainly use him at RT, and with the rookie scale, his big contract would be the second where he would be paid as a RT.  So draft position isn't cost prohibitive if they think he's the BAP wherever we select.  He didn't play LT until his senior year when Joeckel left for the NFL, and played the previous three at RT.  He's certainly one of the top 3-5 guys available when we select, and may be the most "slam dunk" or "safe" of them all.

 

Mack, Watkins... Matthews could easily be the next guy on the list.  Who knows, may be at the top of it.  It would be hard not to get this pick right, there seems several ways to play it and still get it right.

I read one or two places about Matthews that his best position might be ......Center.  Caldwell clearly thinks the Center position is very important after the offer made to Alex Mack.  If we trade down to 6 (Atlanta trades up for K-Mack), I would not hate the idea of Matthews at #6 if Watkins and Evans were both gone some how.  I don't know if Caldwell would be brave enough to draft Matthews at #6 with a plan for him to start at Center and start Pasztor at RT.  Probably not, but would be a good O-line on paper, especially if a projected starting OG was also chosen early.

LT Joeckel - LG Beadles - C Matthews - RG Bitonio - RT Pasztor

 

1. HOU - DE J. Clowney

2. STL - WR S. Watkins

3. ATL - OLB K. Mack (from JAC for pick #37)

4. CLE - QB J. Manziel

5. OAK - WR M. Evans

6. JAC - OT J. Matthews

 

Round 2

37. WR A. Robinson

39. OG J. Bitonio

 

Round 3 - BAQB

Quote:I don't see Matthews being thrilled to take a back seat to Joekel again.  He has been waiting to play the premier position of LT for a while.  I don't think he will want to go back to playing RT.  In that case, we would not be able to retain both long term (>5 years).

 

I think Atlanta is the ideal place for him. He can be the right tackle and then in a couple years, he can move to the left and replace Sam Baker.

Quote:At this point, it's not really under his control.

 

I know, but should we draft him if he is going to want to play LT in the future?