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Quote:Regardless of the perception, the tarps were probably the smartest thing this franchise did during that period.  The stadium was too big for the market.  Right sizing the facility to bring it more in line with what the market could support was the right move.  

 

I didn't even have a problem with Weaver not bailing the fans out by snapping up the remaining tickets, allowing the blackouts.  The fans needed a kick in the shorts.  The blackouts we did have to endure were necessary to assure we didn't see them again.  The tactic worked.  We haven't had a blackout in years, although you'd be hard pressed to see that anywhere in the media.

 

I agree with you my man but i just wish weaver would've done like Shad Khan is doing now which is downsizing the stadium from a reconstruction standpoint instead of putting them tarps up there where the world can see them. Although teams like the redskins and cardinals downsize their stadium going about it the route we're taking now instead of the alternative which until this day brings us a lot of embarrassment. It just seems to me in the case of Shad he's much more smarter business wise and a forward thinker under the same circumstances than wayne weaver. 

Quote:My argument isn't the lack of primetime games. I understand why we only have one of those - and it could have been none. 4-12 teams generally don't get many of those. 

 

My issue is the way they screwed us out of the gate by giving us 2 straight road games to open the season, and 4 road games in the first 6. 

 

Thats essentially a death sentence for a team trying to rebuild and ascend record-wise. 

 

 

Not just that, there is a point AFTER that stretch where the Jaguars don't play at home for like 5 weeks.  We go to Cincinnati, then play in London, then have the bye week, then go to Indy.

 

They are starving the fans here.

Quote:Not just that, there is a point AFTER that stretch where the Jaguars don't play at home for like 5 weeks.  We go to Cincinnati, then play in London, then have the bye week, then go to Indy.

 

They are starving the fans here.

Cosign. I still hate playing a game in london.

Quote:Not just that, there is a point AFTER that stretch where the Jaguars don't play at home for like 5 weeks.  We go to Cincinnati, then play in London, then have the bye week, then go to Indy.

 

They are starving the fans here.

 

Well let's see your schedule then. Don't forget about the bye after the London game. And work around the FLA/GA game. And the Fair.

 

It's a lot easier to just buy into some lazy conspiracy theory, isn't it?

Quote:Well let's see your schedule then. Don't forget about the bye after the London game. And work around the FLA/GA game. And the Fair.

 

It's a lot easier to just buy into some lazy conspiracy theory, isn't it?

 

Ya know, we've worked around the fair more than once in franchise history. 

Quote:Well let's see your schedule then. Don't forget about the bye after the London game. And work around the FLA/GA game. And the Fair.

 

It's a lot easier to just buy into some lazy conspiracy theory, isn't it?

I am not advancing a conspiracy theory and defy you to show where I expressly or tacitly stated otherwise.

 

But conspiracy or not, schedules have impacts on the teams that play them.

 

What impact do you think having 4 out of the first 6 games on the road, followed by the above mentioned stretch, will have on late season attendance, if you assume average to moderate roster improvement?

 

It wouldn't be a stretch to suggest this team could start 0-2 this year, heading into the Indy game.  If the team's performances don't show substantial improvement in those first two games, are people going to be enthused about coming to the Indy game?

 

We always seem to perform poorly on the West Coast.  So is an 0-4 start out of the question?

 

No.

 

We start out slowly...then spend another 4-5 weeks in a row away from Jacksonville?

 

Now if we draft well and surprise some people early and get off to a start that could still keep us in contention after the London trip, it could be absolute bananas here down the stretch.

 

But that's not likely.

 

What's more likely is that the team drafts guys who have some struggles adjusting to the pro game initially, then the rookies start playing better later in the year.

Quote:I agree with you my man but i just wish weaver would've done like Shad Khan is doing now which is downsizing the stadium from a reconstruction standpoint instead of putting them tarps up there where the world can see them. Although teams like the redskins and cardinals downsize their stadium going about it the route we're taking now instead of the alternative which until this day brings us a lot of embarrassment. It just seems to me in the case of Shad he's much more smarter business wise and a forward thinker under the same circumstances than wayne weaver. 

 

Weaver didn't have the resources Khan has to make major improvements to the stadium.  The change in approach based on who owns the team has been pretty dramatic.  Nothing against Weaver, but the guy was cutting and pinching pennies in the front office for several years before selling the team.  They gutted the ticketing staff, and made other changes to cut costs on the back end of the business, and then didn't particularly overspend when it came to the product on the field. 

 

Going from a multi-millionaire owner to a billionaire owner who is younger, and has more of a global vision for the franchise, and for the city is a tremendous change. 

 

Weaver got us the team.  For this, the fans in Jacksonville should be forever grateful.  But, in order to take things to the next level, we needed a visionary owner, and I think we've got that in Khan.  While most potential owners were looking at this as a small market franchise that would need to move to a bigger market, Khan has looked at this team with the expectation that he'd grow the market.  That will serve us well over the long haul.

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I don't think there's any grand conspiracy here where the schedule is being used to force the franchise to move.

But, Khan <i>does</i> intend to move the team, right?  I mean -  I was an ostrich with my head in the sand last year for believing he wanted success in Jacksonville, remember? 

Have I still got sand in my ears - or are you over that little 4 page rant from a year ago? 

We were better on the road fwiw

Since the first home game isn't till week 3, can Khan open the stadium for the first game so the fans can watch on the biggest, baddest, HD stadium tvs and lounge at the pools.

I'm counting 7 win-able games based on what the opponents were like last year and when and where we play them this year.

 

Win-able, not wins. I'll post a guess on record post draft.

 

There could be some surprises this year, good or bad...

 

I think the schedule screws the fans that are local a bit. Two road games to open and a road game to finish the season seems kinda funky to me though. Squeezes all the home games into the middle of the schedule, yet one of those is the home road game to London.

 

Eh.... it is what it is. Want the awesome schedule? Win more games. Be better.

 

One thing I thought was weird was Steelers going to the tacks for a MNF game... that should've been our game, imo.

 

Oh wells.

Quote:I am not advancing a conspiracy theory and defy you to show where I expressly or tacitly stated otherwise.

 

But conspiracy or not, schedules have impacts on the teams that play them.

 

What impact do you think having 4 out of the first 6 games on the road, followed by the above mentioned stretch, will have on late season attendance, if you assume average to moderate roster improvement?

 

It wouldn't be a stretch to suggest this team could start 0-2 this year, heading into the Indy game.  If the team's performances don't show substantial improvement in those first two games, are people going to be enthused about coming to the Indy game?

 

We always seem to perform poorly on the West Coast.  So is an 0-4 start out of the question?

 

No.

 

We start out slowly...then spend another 4-5 weeks in a row away from Jacksonville?

 

Now if we draft well and surprise some people early and get off to a start that could still keep us in contention after the London trip, it could be absolute bananas here down the stretch.

 

But that's not likely.

 

What's more likely is that the team drafts guys who have some struggles adjusting to the pro game initially, then the rookies start playing better later in the year.

 

If you are saying that the NFL should schedule games with an eye towards having an impact on attendance, and they don't provide such a schedule, I guess they did that on purpose, right? So it sure looks like you're advocating a conspiracy theory.

 

The NFL schedule in incredibly complex. And way, way down the list of problems the NFL is trying to solve within such complexity is the complaints of some Jaguars fans about having to start on the road.

 

The NFL will always be most concerned about it's TV partners. If the Jaguars can make themselves TV friendly they will become part of the considerations that are factored into the making of the schedule.  

Quote:If you are saying that the NFL should schedule games with an eye towards having an impact on attendance, and they don't provide such a schedule, I guess they did that on purpose, right? So it sure looks like you're advocating a conspiracy theory.

 

The NFL schedule in incredibly complex. And way, way down the list of problems the NFL is trying to solve within such complexity is the complaints of some Jaguars fans about having to start on the road.

 

The NFL will always be most concerned about it's TV partners. If the Jaguars can make themselves TV friendly they will become part of the considerations that are factored into the making of the schedule.  

 

 

You spectacularly miss the point.

 

Whether they did it on purpose or not (and I do not assert they did it on purpose) is immaterial.

 

Suppose you get into a car accident.  Hopefully it won't happen....but let's pretend for argument's sake.

 

The person who hit you likely did not purposely hit your car.

 

But the negative effect on you is nevertheless the same.

 

You will have an inoperable car for a while.  You will need to have the damage repaired or the car replaced.

 

Hopefully you won't have any injuries, but if you do, you'd have to recover from them.

 

These things would be the consequences from the accident-even if not purposeful.

 

I do not assert the Jaguars can't change the dynamic by winning the early games.  To the contrary, I specifically stated that if the Jaguars somehow find themselves in reasonable contention after the London game, the atmosphere in those late games will be amazing.

 

But given a slow start, recent history, and long absences from the home crowd, it could have a negative impact on attendance in those late season games.

Quote:You spectacularly miss the point.

 

Whether they did it on purpose or not (and I do not assert they did it on purpose) is immaterial.

 

Suppose you get into a car accident.  Hopefully it won't happen....but let's pretend for argument's sake.

 

The person who hit you likely did not purposely hit your car.

 

But the negative effect on you is nevertheless the same.

 

You will have an inoperable car for a while.  You will need to have the damage repaired or the car replaced.

 

Hopefully you won't have any injuries, but if you do, you'd have to recover from them.

 

These things would be the consequences from the accident-even if not purposeful.

 

I do not assert the Jaguars can't change the dynamic by winning the early games.  To the contrary, I specifically stated that if the Jaguars somehow find themselves in reasonable contention after the London game, the atmosphere in those late games will be amazing.

 

But given a slow start, recent history, and long absences from the home crowd, it could have a negative impact on attendance in those late season games.

 

Exactly.  We have to hope for a fast start because if the team stumbles out of the gate, those 4 away games in the first 6 weeks will lead to some pretty light crowds.  That would be disastrous.

Goodell's hatred of the Jags has gone from subtle to blatantly obvious. How much longer are we going to sit back and allow him to kick sand in the face of our proud franchise???

 

Last year, Goodell sent us on a whirl wind tour, forcing us to play the red hot KC Chiefs in the opener, and then sending us clear across the US back to back weeks to play the Oakland Raiders and the Seattle Seahawks. This schedule gave us no chance whatsoever. Forcing us to play on the west coast back to back weeks, in a different time zone, different altitude set the table for a very tough first half of the season. When I expressed concerns last year, many of you thought I was overreacting to Goodell's clear despise for our franchise and all I can say is - 

 

And here we go again...

 

Apparently Goodell got confused and thought we are in the NFC East.  Eagles week one and Redskins week two - both of course on the road.  I suppose they will force us to we just scrimmage the Dallas Cowboys on Tuesday in between games that week - of course this won't happen because who do we play in London...none other than the NFC East's own Dallas Cowboys!!!   Furthermore, there is no real easy way to get to Philadelphia or DC, so chances are we will just have to stay on the road during that time period and not return to Jacksonville. If this is the case, what does Goodell expect our players to do for that 9 day period? You can only run the Rocky steps so many times before that gets old, and then when we go to DC we can't hardly have our players go the Smithsonian as we would have no one to break down the ins and outs since Jack Del Rio left and we certainly don't want our players confused. I suppose Coach Bradley could have our players participate in a team building exercise at or on the top of Mount Vernon, or possibly go visit the Statue of Liberty, but it sure as heck would be easier if we could have both of these games at Everbank. 

 

Also, does anyone else think it's "weird" that the year the Jags finally get a high draft pick, there are no good players...

 

 

All of these add up to one work and one word only: C-O- N- S- P- I- R- A- C- Y

 

I will hold off making my predictions on the results of the 2014 season until I see who we draft in a few weeks and until then will continue to perform my due diligence and uncover even more ways Goodell is mistreating the Jaguars. 

Quote:Not just that, there is a point AFTER that stretch where the Jaguars don't play at home for like 5 weeks.  We go to Cincinnati, then play in London, then have the bye week, then go to Indy.

 

They are starving the fans here.

 

...on purpose, too. 

Quote:Exactly.  We have to hope for a fast start because if the team stumbles out of the gate, those 4 away games in the first 6 weeks will lead to some pretty light crowds.  That would be disastrous.

 

B-i-n-g-o. 

 

You're now getting into the mind of Goodell in why he is allowing/ supporting this. 

Taking the winning aspect out of this, I wouldn't mind a few of the Primetime games, but I enjoy the 1pm starts more the atmosphere is more relaxed, and wifey and I have more time to prep food and games. I am more restricted with tailgating and drinking with the Sunday, Monday, and Thursday night games especially if I have to work on gameday. I have a rough time at work the next morning after only getting 3-4 hours sleep the night before. 

 

Just a FYI, the Jaguars have started the first 2 games on the road to begin the season back in 2000, so its not the end of the world.

Quote:B-i-n-g-o. 

 

You're now getting into the mind of Goodell in why he is allowing/ supporting this. 

 

I don't agree that there's some grand conspiracy at play here.  I think it's just a matter of the schedulers deferring to larger markets in most instances.

Some of you all want me to run through a six pack of Bud Light right now.