Quote:This paragraph got me thinking...
Does anyone know what might be considered the best draft of any team, ever? I know some of them Buddy Ryan drafts were really good, getting guys like Seth Joyner and Clyde Simmonds in rounds like 8 & 9....but I think some of those Noll Pittsburgh teams had some really good drafts as well.
NFL Network did a special on that.
http://www.nfl.com/draft/story?id=09000d...nfirm=true
The 1974 Steelers draft is widely considered the top draft class overall.
That Steelers draft produced four (4) Hall of Famers:
Swann, Lambert, Stallworth and Webster.
Other all time great draft classes include the 1986 49ers (Haley, Rathman, McKyer, Griffin, Wallace, John Taylor), the 1985 Bills (Bruce Smith, Derrick Burroughs, Andre Reed), 1987 Bills (Conlan, Odomes, Leon Seals, Keith mcKellar, House Ballard, and traded for Cornelius Bennett).
There are others that don't readily leap to mind, though soon Seattle's recent draft classes have to warrant inclusion.
Hopefully, this year's Jaguars' class will be in those discussions.
Quote:But, some here disagree saying we got fleeced in the deal with Monroe.
its not just some
here that said that...I remember reading the rotoworld editorial saying something similar as well, and if they were, I'm sure there were others in the national media as well.
Quote:its not just some here that said that...I remember reading the rotoworld editorial saying something similar as well, and if they were, I'm sure there were others in the national media as well.
And the rotoworld editorial can be countered by numerous accounts that said it was a good move. Keep swinging.
These are all just opinions. We won't know how good the deal was until we see how those draft picks are utilized. If they're bundled and we get a stud in return, it was a good move for the Jags.
Quote:NFL Network did a special on that.
http://www.nfl.com/draft/story?id=09000d...nfirm=true
The 1974 Steelers draft is widely considered the top draft class overall.
That Steelers draft produced four (4) Hall of Famers:
Swann, Lambert, Stallworth and Webster.
Other all time great draft classes include the 1986 49ers (Haley, Rathman, McKyer, Griffin, Wallace, John Taylor), the 1985 Bills (Bruce Smith, Derrick Burroughs, Andre Reed), 1987 Bills (Conlan, Odomes, Leon Seals, Keith mcKellar, House Ballard, and traded for Cornelius Bennett).
There are others that don't readily leap to mind, though soon Seattle's recent draft classes have to warrant inclusion.
Hopefully, this year's Jaguars' class will be in those discussions.
Good stuff, thanks B.
Yeah, it would be nice to finally see the Jags remembered for something great like that.
The Bills had 2 stellar drafts almost back to back there.....no wonder they dominated that Conference for a good long time. If it wasn't for some equally good drafting by the Cowboys, the Bills probably would have won multiple SB's.
Quote:But, some here disagree saying we got fleeced in the deal with Monroe. They'd prefer we held out for a 2nd round pick, but we didn't shop him around sufficiently to satisfy their requirements as message board GMs.
Trading Monroe when we did, regardless of what happened with Joeckel in the aftermath, was a smart move by this front office to give us chips in the 2014 draft if we opt to use them to move around.
If you look at teams like New England who regularly stockpile picks and move around in the draft as they see fit, there's an effective approach to leveraging those extra picks to go after the players you really want.
There is an argument to be made that perhaps we could have gotten a little more in trade for Monroe, but we don't know for certain.
But had we not traded Monroe, we'd be looking at one 4th round pick this year instead of 2, and 2 5th round picks instead of three.
Under those circumstances, we'd almost have to trade down to stock the roster.
Quote:Trading up into the first, losing pics that could net starting offensive lineman on this team... To take a qb that clearly is not considered elite or worthy of a top 10 selection in an era where the qb is overdrafted anyways... doesnt sound smart to me.
If theres a guy we "covet" he will be taken 3rd overall.
Either they think hes a franchise qb or a developmental qb. the franchise guy will be taken in the top 10 by us, whether at 3 or a trade down.
The guy that falls to the 20s will be a developmental guy. i see us drafting Mettenberger or Garappolo or McCarron.. Someone like that and still keep all our picks.
I'm not too sure about that.
Guys who fell to that portion of the draft included Pro Bowlers Ken O'Brien, Dan Marino, Boomer Esiason, Brett Favre, Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers, and good guys like Dalton and Kaepernick.
Just because a guy isn't an Elway level prospect doesn't necessarily mean they won't/can't be a franchise QB.
If the QBs slide, there may still be quite a bit of competition for their services.
Quote:There is an argument to be made that perhaps we could have gotten a little more in trade for Monroe, but we don't know for certain.
But had we not traded Monroe, we'd be looking at one 4th round pick this year instead of 2, and 2 5th round picks instead of three.
Under those circumstances, we'd almost have to trade down to stock the roster.
We don't know that for certain. What we do know is that the value of that trade will be determined by how those picks are utilized in May. Until then, we really don't know. If those extra picks allow us to move around and we wind up getting an impact player as a result, it was well worth it.
Quote:This paragraph got me thinking...
Does anyone know what might be considered the best draft of any team, ever? I know some of them Buddy Ryan drafts were really good, getting guys like Seth Joyner and Clyde Simmonds in rounds like 8 & 9....but I think some of those Noll Pittsburgh teams had some really good drafts as well.
Edit: Bullseye already said what I was going to say.
Quote:I'm not too sure about that.
Guys who fell to that portion of the draft included Pro Bowlers Ken O'Brien, Dan Marino, Boomer Esiason, Brett Favre, Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers, and good guys like Dalton and Kaepernick.
Just because a guy isn't an Elway level prospect doesn't necessarily mean they won't/can't be a franchise QB.
If the QBs slide, there may still be quite a bit of competition for their services.
I do agree with this wholeheartedly. I believe there will be opportunities in that 2nd tier of prospects to find someone who, at the very least, could prove to be an effective starter for this team.
Having that "franchise QB" label is nice, but if you're building a team with a stout defense, solid on both lines, and capable of running the ball, a good QB running the offense will be enough to turn things around.
You never know. One of those guys could indeed develop into a franchise QB. They have the tools. There are flaws, but the hope is you can coach them out of those issues.
Quote:Edit: Bullseye already said what I was going to say.
Bullseye covered this and I dug around a bit into that draft. Pittsburgh didn't even use their Third Round selection in that draft. It appears that they traded with Cincinnati in order to garner more picks. Also, they only picked higher than #19 in the Fourth, Seventh and Ninth Rounds.
In summation; they drafted four HoF players using middle to back of the pack selections and got two of them
after the Third Round.
Quote:We don't know that for certain. What we do know is that the value of that trade will be determined by how those picks are utilized in May. Until then, we really don't know. If those extra picks allow us to move around and we wind up getting an impact player as a result, it was well worth it.
I agree completely with this.
I just hope Bradley and co evaluated the players properly and can execute the strategy needed to get the very best players here.
I want a few of those all time great draft classes here in Jacksonville.
Quote:I agree completely with this.
I just hope Bradley and co evaluated the players properly and can execute the strategy needed to get the very best player here.
I want a few of those all time great draft classes here in Jacksonville.
Stop it; I'm getting all excited.
Quote:Bullseye covered this and I dug around a bit into that draft. Pittsburgh didn't even use their Third Round selection in that draft. It appears that they traded with Cincinnati in order to garner more picks. Also, they only picked higher than #19 in the Fourth, Seventh and Ninth Rounds.
In summation; they drafted four HoF players using middle to back of the pack selections and got two of them after the Third Round.
Just amazing.
When I think about mid to late round draft success, I also think of the Gibbs era skins and most recently, Seattle.
Just amazing.
The Jaguars have their work cut out for them to replicate that level of success.
Quote:I agree completely with this.
I just hope Bradley and co evaluated the players properly and can execute the strategy needed to get the very best players here.
I want a few of those all time great draft classes here in Jacksonville.
I actually think this group has a good handle on the process. It's not fools gold like we had with Gene Smith coming out of the Shack Harris era. These guys know their jobs, and they do them well.
I think everyone is ready for a string of strong draft classes. It's been a while.
Quote:Good stuff, thanks B.
Yeah, it would be nice to finally see the Jags remembered for something great like that.
The Bills had 2 stellar drafts almost back to back there.....no wonder they dominated that Conference for a good long time. If it wasn't for some equally good drafting by the Cowboys, the Bills probably would have won multiple SB's.
Are you kidding?
Could you imagine a Jaguars draft class with four Hall of Famers?
Because Jacksonville is such a small media market, it takes Jaguars players being twice as good to get half the accolades. As great as he was, Boselli gets appallingly low HOF consideration.
If the Jagaurs had a draft class with four Hall of Famers, it would mean the Jaguars will have won multiple Super Bowls with those guys, because it would be the only way to get enough media votes to obtain Canton enshrinement.
Quote:I actually think this group has a good handle on the process. It's not fools gold like we had with Gene Smith coming out of the Shack Harris era. These guys know their jobs, and they do them well.
I think everyone is ready for a string of strong draft classes. It's been a while.
I sure hope you are right.
Gene Smith's first class showed promise right out of the box (though I was completely unimpressed with Monroe's rookie year)
What would be really interesting to me is if they traded back from three with another team with a top ten pick, then traded back into the first to either KC or Carolina with said picks.
Because as you pointed out, both need value, and lots of it.
Quote:I sure hope you are right.
Gene Smith's first class showed promise right out of the box (though I was completely unimpressed with Monroe's rookie year)
I just get a completely different vibe from this group.
Everyone wanted Gene Smith to succeed because he wasn't Shack Harris, he'd been recommended by Tom Coughlin, and he'd reportedly been the lone voice that was opposed to some of the bigger mistakes made during the Harris tenure. In the end, he made the Shack days seem like the good old days. Good scout. Lousy GM.
This group comes across as extremely competent. Until they show otherwise, I'm confident they'll be making smart decisions in the draft, and with their free agency moves. Their decision making process just makes sense in comparison to what we've seen in the past.
Quote:Are you kidding?
Could you imagine a Jaguars draft class with four Hall of Famers?
Because Jacksonville is such a small media market, it takes Jaguars players being twice as good to get half the accolades. As great as he was, Boselli gets appallingly low HOF consideration.
If the Jagaurs had a draft class with four Hall of Famers, it would mean the Jaguars will have won multiple Super Bowls with those guys, because it would be the only way to get enough media votes to obtain Canton enshrinement.
I think most HOF's need to have the SB rings to help get them in. Right or wrong, it seems to carry a lot of weight.
Boselli's short career is what did him in. A short career at OT, is not the same thing as a short career with the type of playmaking Gayle Sayers showed. I think for OT's to make it, it generally takes very long consistent elite career's (with no SB to help aid).
Quote:What would be really interesting to me is if they traded back from three with another team with a top ten pick, then traded back into the first to either KC or Carolina with said picks.
Because as you pointed out, both need value, and lots of it.
What might be interesting is trading down, landing the QB, and still keeping the picks.