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Quote:I think the CB from Ohio state will be a better player at his position as a pro than Mack will be at his as well. Possibly Barr too. (as a pass rusher)

Courtney Roby? The projected 3rd corner who was absolutely torched by 4th rounder Jared Abbrederis and the worst QB in college football? The corner who had a terrible season and is projected about the same spot as Tyson Alualu was!?

Listen, I understand you have players you like more than and less than the consensus. We all do. If you dislike Mack as a prospect, that's fine. Just say that. Don't try and come on here and act as if he's some reach though because you don't like the prospect. You are straight up bold faced lying to our computer faces. Not cool.

But what's the chances of Mack being a Suggs type of player? Do you really gamble the 3rd round pick on a huge "if"? Granted Suggs was a top 10 pick, but a Suggs doesn't come around very often..

Quote:I'll give you Bridgewater and Manziel, if they are true franchise changing QB's, theres not a more important position in sports. I'd much rather take a defensive player that offers Terrell Suggs like pass rush ability than a HOF offensive tackle, as Terrell Suggs is a hall of famer in himself.

Suggs a HOF?? Maybe because he plays on Baltimore because they won a Title while he was there....but otherwise? I don't see Suggs as a HOF caliber player on a team that didn't win a Lombardi.

Quote:I think Mack is going to be a Terrell Suggs type player. He'll average about 8 sacks a year and make a few other disruptive plays like forced fumbles and interceptions.

Now whether that's worth the third pick of the draft is up for debate. I wouldn't mind it but we would need to still land a playmaking WR at some point early in the draft then.

id take suggs at 3 in almost every single draft any day, and twice on sundays.

for years he has been one of the most disruptive pass rushers in the NFL. the difference he makes on the defense has been extreme. when he was out they were terrible. with him in the lineup theyre very good.

The back tracking here is amazing. He agrees he is a Terrel Suggs type player...who wouldnt take that guy at 3?! Oh wait, if Manziel or Bridgewater are hall of famers, its a bad pick....Thanks Nostradamus.

You make if's and and's to cover all your bases. If we pick Mack and he is amazing you will turn this into saying you were right.

Quote:I think Mack is going to be a Terrell Suggs type player. He'll average about 8 sacks a year and make a few other disruptive plays like forced fumbles and interceptions.

Now whether that's worth the third pick of the draft is up for debate. I wouldn't mind it but we would need to still land a playmaking WR at some point early in the draft then.

My position is find a guy like that when you're routinely picking a bit later in the draft (Suggs was picked 10th overall). It could be another 10 years before the Jags pick this high again. Why pick a position you could probably, by design, fill almost anywhere in the 1st round? Maybe Mack is BAP. Fine. But I personally would rather roll the dice on a more premium position than a LB.

Quote:Things don't need to be identical for the concept to be seen as similar.

Mack at 3 would be taking a player that should go around 10, 11, or 12 ish.

you just arent going to address logic when it counters what you are saying? explain to me how matthews is projected to go around 10-12 just like youre saying but youre advocating him at 3.

Quote:I think the CB from Ohio state will be a better player at his position as a pro than Mack will be at his as well. Possibly Barr too. (as a pass rusher)

So great, you don't know his name

Quote:Courtney Roby? The projected 3rd corner who was absolutely torched by 4th rounder Jared Abbrederis and the worst QB in college football? The corner who had a terrible season and is projected about the same spot as Tyson Alualu was!?

Listen, I understand you have players you like more than and less than the consensus. We all do. If you dislike Mack as a prospect, that's fine. Just say that. Don't try and come on here and act as if he's some reach though because you don't like the prospect. You are straight up bold faced lying to our computer faces. Not cool.

No I meant to say Ok. State. (Gilbert). All the Ohio State talk about Mack had my schools mixed up.

This thread is stupid. The only way Mack would be a disappointing pick is if the team doesnt use him to rush the passer. You dont draft a LB 3rd overall to drop him into coverage. You line him up to rush the passer.

Mack's projection is Ware. If you think Mack will be Ware you absolutely take him with the 3rd overall pick.

Quote:Suggs a HOF?? Maybe because he plays on Baltimore because they won a Title while he was there....but otherwise? I don't see Suggs as a HOF caliber player on a team that didn't win a Lombardi.

Terrell Suggs has 100 career sacks, and has a chance to rack up 20 to 30 more before his career is over with, he was a DPOY and has made several probowls, he's one of the best pass rushers in the last 10 years, he's a sure fire hall of famer.

Quote:So great, you don't know his name

I had a brain cramp. Theres a ton of players/ arguments being thrown around right now. Maybe its just early alzheimers setting in. I've spoke enough about him in the past month as a possible Jags pick. (after a trade down)

Quote:you just arent going to address logic when it counters what you are saying? explain to me how matthews is projected to go around 10-12 just like youre saying but youre advocating him at 3.

I see Matthews as HOF caliber at his position. He's technically perfect. The only reason why he's seen to be drafted at less than 3 (not 10-12, btw) is because Tackle isn't the "sexy" position as Clowney/ the QB/ Watkins/ etc etc. Matthews might be a better player at his position than all but Clowney when its all said and done.

Quote:Courtney Roby? The projected 3rd corner who was absolutely torched by 4th rounder Jared Abbrederis and the worst QB in college football? The corner who had a terrible season and is projected about the same spot as Tyson Alualu was!?

Listen, I understand you have players you like more than and less than the consensus. We all do. If you dislike Mack as a prospect, that's fine. Just say that. Don't try and come on here and act as if he's some reach though because you don't like the prospect. You are straight up bold faced lying to our computer faces. Not cool.

Bradley Roby my friend.

Quote:The back tracking here is amazing. He agrees he is a Terrel Suggs type player...who wouldnt take that guy at 3?! Oh wait, if Manziel or Bridgewater are hall of famers, its a bad pick....Thanks Nostradamus.

You make if's and and's to cover all your bases. If we pick Mack and he is amazing you will turn this into saying you were right.

It's his schtick to be on both sides of any argument.

If Mack is truly a Terrel Suggs type player, there are few who would pass on that kind of talent/production.

Quote:I see Matthews as HOF caliber at his position. He's technically perfect. The only reason why he's seen to be drafted at less than 3 (not 10-12, btw) is because Tackle isn't the "sexy" position as Clowney/ the QB/ Watkins/ etc etc. Matthews might be a better player at his position than all but Clowney when its all said and done.

If I could prove it, I would be willing to put a large chunk of cash on it that you have watched Matthews a grand total of 5 plays or less.

Quote:If I could prove it, I would be willing to put a large chunk of cash on it that you have watched Matthews a grand total of 5 plays or less.

You're being generous, but expect an indignant response to your challenge as TMD will declare he's watched every snap of every game on tape.

Quote:This thread is stupid. The only way Mack would be a disappointing pick is if the team doesnt use him to rush the passer. You dont draft a LB 3rd overall to drop him into coverage. You line him up to rush the passer.

Mack's projection is Ware. If you think Mack will be Ware you absolutely take him with the 3rd overall pick.

I looked up Ware's Scouting Report from 2005 on the old NFLDraftScout page that Rob Rang used to run then compared that to Mack's profile that Rang does for CBSSports.com. There's some interesting coincidences between the two.

Ware: 6-4, 251, 4.56 40, 38 1/2" Vertical, 10' 2" Broad Jump



Mack: 6-3, 251, 4.55 40, 40" Vertical, 10' 8" Broad Jump





Ware's College career stat line - 27.5 sacks, 195 tackles (57 for losses), 74 quarterback hurries, ten forced fumbles, four fumble recoveries, and one interception.



Mack's College career stat line - 28.5 sacks, 327 tackles (75 for losses), 31 quarterback hurries, 16 forced fumbles, four recoveries, and four interceptions.





From my perspective, his numbers are as good or better than Ware's. Now, this by no means is to say that Mack will be the next coming of Ware, but I'd gladly take Ware at #3 overall.

Quote:I looked up Ware's Scouting Report from 2005 on the old NFLDraftScout page that Rob Rang used to run then compared that to Mack's profile that Rang does for CBSSports.com. There's some interesting coincidences between the two.

Ware: 6-4, 251, 4.56 40, 38 1/2" Vertical, 10' 2" Broad Jump



Mack: 6-3, 251, 4.55 40, 40" Vertical, 10' 8" Broad Jump





Ware's College career stat line - 27.5 sacks, 195 tackles (57 for losses), 74 quarterback hurries, ten forced fumbles, four fumble recoveries, and one interception.



Mack's College career stat line - 28.5, 327 tackles (75 for losses), 31 hurries, 16 forced fumbles, four recoveries, and four interceptions.





From my perspective, his numbers are as good or better than Ware's. Now, this by no means is to say that Mack will be the next coming of Ware, but I'd gladly take Ware at #3 overall.

That's pretty dang impressive. Of course, now we'll hear how he plays at a small school.

Quote:I looked up Ware's Scouting Report from 2005 on the old NFLDraftScout page that Rob Rang used to run then compared that to Mack's profile that Rang does for CBSSports.com. There's some interesting coincidences between the two.

Ware: 6-4, 251, 4.56 40, 38 1/2" Vertical, 10' 2" Broad Jump



Mack: 6-3, 251, 4.55 40,40" Vertical, 10' 8" Broad Jump





Ware's College career stat line - 27.5 sacks, 195 tackles (57 for losses), 74 quarterback hurries, ten forced fumbles, four fumble recoveries, and one interception.



Mack's College career stat line - 28.5, 327 tackles (75 for losses), 31 hurries, 16 forced fumbles, four recoveries, and four interceptions.





From my perspective, his numbers are as good or better than Ware's. Now, this by no means is to say that Mack will be the next coming of Ware, but I'd gladly take Ware at #3 overall.

I tried telling TMD another thread, Khalil Mack is an athletic freak of nature, just like Demarcus Ware. His pure athleticism, strength, and technique translate into production at any level of football. Mack is more versatile than Ware as he drops back comfortably into zone coverage, and sticks to TE's in RB's in man coverage, he's a rare football player that can dominate the game in many ways.

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