Interesting. Gabbert, by that list, should've had some success. Of course Gabbert did play in a gimmicky offense that he did not have great numbers in.
Quote:Interesting. Gabbert, by that list, should've had some success. Of course Gabbert did play in a gimmicky offense that he did not have great numbers in.
Well no according to that rule he failed due to starts, and barely achieved completion in a gimmicky offense.
He just added up the numbers, but the original premise was that each of the numbers had to exceed the minimum. That seems to fit the results better.
Looks like Manziel and Bortles are the only 2 that make the list
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The results are startling. Not counting the 2013 NFL draft class, since they were rookies a season ago, here are the top-six cumulative scores since the 2010 draft. I came up with a total score, which includes each players’ Wonderlic, games started and completion percentage in college:
That's being generous. The scores really didn't say much at all. He kept pointing out "If you don't count Newton!" which is confirmation bias. I'd say at best the numbers don't suggest much. Maybe a higher chance of success for a higher number -- but look at Gabbert vs Tannehill. And of course that's ignoring that a lot of those players haven't had an opportunity to play in the NFL Because they're playing behind bigger starters. Brock Osweiller? Ryan Mallett? Those two never really had much of a chance yet to do anything in the NFL.
Quote:Looks like Manziel and Bortles are the only 2 that make the list
Not really.....
Manziel has 26 starts not 27.....
Mettenberger fits with this too if he really got a 30 on his Wonderlic.
Quote:He just added up the numbers, but the original premise was that each of the numbers had to exceed the minimum. That seems to fit the results better.
I agree adding the numbers was ridiculous, treating them each individually gave a much better idea.
yeah i dont buy too much into that rule. its mainly because of the wonderlic. obviously the more starts you have the more seasoned and poised you become (most of the time) for some it just doesnt click. and completion percentage is usually indicative of good accuracy. (but not always. some cases that could just be a stellar supporting cast or playing against scrubs.) id like to see some kind of chart that includes third down and red zone passing. that to me is one of the most important stats for a qb.
Quote:Mettenberger fits with this too if he really got a 30 on his Wonderlic.
Jimmy G might too. Not sure what his Wonderlic was.
Sorry, didn't read the link first, guess he doesn't fit the Wonderlic portion.
Quote:yeah i dont buy too much into that rule. its mainly because of the wonderlic. obviously the more starts you have the more seasoned and poised you become (most of the time) for some it just doesnt click. and completion percentage is usually indicative of good accuracy. (but not always. some cases that could just be a stellar supporting cast or playing against scrubs.) id like to see some kind of chart that includes third down and red zone passing. that to me is one of the most important stats for a qb.
I think the wonderlic is really important, it shows there ability to memorise playbooks etc and their mental reaction.
Put it like this, other all the quarterbacks to win a Super Bowl in the last 10 years, only roethlisberger has a wonderlic under 26. His score was 25.
Quote:I think the wonderlic is really important, it shows there ability to memorise playbooks etc and their mental reaction.
Put it like this, other all the quarterbacks to win a Super Bowl in the last 10 years, only roethlisberger has a wonderlic under 26. His score was 25.
Not it doesnt, people will memorize stuff they are more interested in then stuff they are not, which is football, the wonderlic just shows regular and fast intellect and has very little to determine if you can play football at a high level.
Quote:Not it doesnt, people will memorize stuff they are more interested in then stuff they are not, which is football, the wonderlic just shows regular and fast intellect and has very little to determine if you can play football at a high level.
And yet like I say, only one Super Bowl winning quarterback has lower than 26. Look at all the top quarterbacks of the past 20 years that have won a Super Bowl, 90% have roughly a 29+ wonderlic score, unless you believe in mass coincidence?
Quote:And yet like I say, only one Super Bowl winning quarterback has lower than 26. Look at all the top quarterbacks of the past 20 years that have won a Super Bowl, 90% have roughly a 29+ wonderlic score, unless you believe in mass coincidence?
Terry Bradshaw scored a 15 on the Wonderlic, and won 4 super bowls.
Brett Favre scored a 22 on the Wonderlic, and won 2 super bowls
Phil Simms scored a 10 on the Wonderlic and won a super bowl
Trent Dilfer scored a 22 on the Wonderlic and won a Super Bowl
That's of course only limiting it to Super Bowl winning QB's. Peyton Manning doesn't reach your '29+' either, he scored a 28. (the same as Mark Sanchez)
Dan Marino scored a 15. Mark Brunell scored a 22. Donvoan McNabb scored a 12. Steve McNair scored a 15.
Then you have Ryan Leaf with a 27, Matt Leinart with a 35, Gabbert with a 40, Ryan Fitzpatrick with a 48...
Quote:Terry Bradshaw scored a 15 on the Wonderlic, and won 4 super bowls.
Brett Favre scored a 22 on the Wonderlic, and won 2 super bowls
Phil Simms scored a 10 on the Wonderlic and won a super bowl
Trent Dilfer scored a 22 on the Wonderlic and won a Super Bowl
That's of course only limiting it to Super Bowl winning QB's. Peyton Manning doesn't reach your '29+' either, he scored a 28. (the same as Mark Sanchez)
Dan Marino scored a 15. Mark Brunell scored a 22. Donvoan McNabb scored a 12. Steve McNair scored a 15.
Then you have Ryan Leaf with a 27, Matt Leinart with a 35, Gabbert with a 40, Ryan Fitzpatrick with a 48...
Like I said looking back 20 years only 3 under 26 have won a Super Bowl. Between them 4 wins in 20 years (favre only won one) that's a 20% chance of winning a sb with a qb under 26, and 80% over. I know which id choose.
As for the last part, this is why you include the 2 other stats in there to.
Quote:Terry Bradshaw scored a 15 on the Wonderlic, and won 4 super bowls.
Brett Favre scored a 22 on the Wonderlic, and won 2 super bowls
Phil Simms scored a 10 on the Wonderlic and won a super bowl
Trent Dilfer scored a 22 on the Wonderlic and won a Super Bowl
That's of course only limiting it to Super Bowl winning QB's. Peyton Manning doesn't reach your '29+' either, he scored a 28. (the same as Mark Sanchez)
Dan Marino scored a 15. Mark Brunell scored a 22. Donvoan McNabb scored a 12. Steve McNair scored a 15.
Then you have Ryan Leaf with a 27, Matt Leinart with a 35, Gabbert with a 40, Ryan Fitzpatrick with a 48...
As for the manning comment, he meets the required '26' I only said the average of qbs recently was around 29, manning as you pointed out being the lowest asides from roethlisberger, but still qualifying.
The problem now days is it is almost impossible for any QB to have a completion % under 60%. Do you see how many screens teams throw in games? It is absolutely ridiculous. Even in the pros it is ridiculous.
Quote:Like I said looking back 20 years only 3 under 26 have won a Super Bowl. Between them 4 wins in 20 years (favre only won one) that's a 20% chance of winning a sb with a qb under 26, and 80% over. I know which id choose.
As for the last part, this is why you include the 2 other stats in there to.
So Gabbert would have been successful in the NFL if he had started in 2 more games?