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Quote:That's what I thought. Stick to Madden, bro.

lol ill beat u in that too. What because i dont agree with you as far as signing Gerhart for 4 million i dont watch football?

Quote:Jordan Todman..

Add DRob to the mix as well.

How is Yo Boy posting when his name is silver? I thought that meant you are banned. 

Quote:Jordan Todman..

Jordan Todman wasnt on the same level as a rookie like Mojo..

My god, I'm so glad our current GM doesn't have some of your guys football mind set.. This team would be in the stone ages forever with broken down players and empty dreams..

Quote:So Gerhart is set to recieve $4 million, from the jags. But Mojo signed a contract for $1.2 million in Oakland, hmm we couldnt pay that?..Lets hope Caldwell is making a good decision, cuz i think it would have been better and cheaper to keep Mojo..Ijs ..

It's over the life of the contract. This is the same deal Michael Turner got a few years ago. This is peanuts. Mojo isn't worth that type of money anymore. He might have one more year left in the tank and that's a big maybe

Quote:My god, I'm so glad our current GM doesn't have some of your guys football mind set.. This team would be in the stone ages forever with broken down players and empty dreams..

 

I was calling for them to deal MoJo 2 years ago when he still had value... and was bashed mercilessly for that idea by this board. They all said that idea was stupid. 

 

 

I read an article on ESPN recently that showed a graph of when NFL RB & WR "peak" and then start to decline...

 

In both cases the players' statistical production peaked at 27, - they made a point to include even Adrian Peterson as one who contributed to this trend as his stats declined at 28....

 

but the interesting thing is the RB's decline was FAST after that point, while the WR's curve of decline was much more gradual. 

 

Most RB were pretty much done by 30, with only a few having productive seasons past that...while WR's were productive into their low to mid 30's. 

 

Now, in cases like Gerhart, I do think the decline will be skewed because as mentioned, he doesn't have the wear and tear because of much fewer carries to this point. 

 

But as it was, I was right. We absolutely should have traded MoJo 2 years ago, despite the mouthbreathers objecting that idea. 

We will see fellas!! Lets just hope Caldwell is right in which i hope he is!!

Quote:I was calling for them to deal MoJo 2 years ago when he still had value... and was bashed mercilessly for that idea by this board. They all said that idea was stupid.



I read an article on ESPN recently that showed a graph of when NFL RB & WR "peak" and then start to decline...


In both cases the players' statistical production peaked at 27, - they made a point to include even Adrian Peterson as one who contributed to this trend as his stats declined at 28....


but the interesting thing is the RB's decline was FAST after that point, while the WR's curve of decline was much more gradual.


Most RB were pretty much done by 30, with only a few having productive seasons past that...while WR's were productive into their low to mid 30's.


Now, in cases like Gerhart, I do think the decline will be skewed because as mentioned, he doesn't have the wear and tear because of much fewer carries to this point.


But as it was, I was right. We absolutely should have traded MoJo 2 years ago, despite the mouthbreathers objecting that idea.

A dog's rear end, sunshine and once in a while.. Puzzle that one together, Nostradamus


I like giving you a hard time.. All in good fun..

Quote:I was calling for them to deal MoJo 2 years ago when he still had value... and was bashed mercilessly for that idea by this board. They all said that idea was stupid.



I read an article on ESPN recently that showed a graph of when NFL RB & WR "peak" and then start to decline...


In both cases the players' statistical production peaked at 27, - they made a point to include even Adrian Peterson as one who contributed to this trend as his stats declined at 28....


but the interesting thing is the RB's decline was FAST after that point, while the WR's curve of decline was much more gradual.


Most RB were pretty much done by 30, with only a few having productive seasons past that...while WR's were productive into their low to mid 30's.


Now, in cases like Gerhart, I do think the decline will be skewed because as mentioned, he doesn't have the wear and tear because of much fewer carries to this point.


But as it was, I was right. We absolutely should have traded MoJo 2 years ago, despite the mouthbreathers objecting that idea.

What you fail to factor in is that other teams understand this trend too. Very few, if any would be willing to deal anything for a declining RB. There's a reason why you don't see many running back trades around the league. Especially those over 27.

Quote:What you fail to factor in is that other teams understand this trend too. Very few, if any would be willing to deal anything a decent pick for a declining RB. There's a reason why you don't see many running back trades around the league. Especially those over 27.

Good point..

Quote:What you fail to factor in is that other teams understand this trend too. Very few, if any would be willing to deal anything for a declining RB. There's a reason why you don't see many running back trades around the league. Especially those over 27.

Yes true, but coming off the season in which he led the league in rushing, it would have been ideal to trade Mojo at time..

Quote:A dog's rear end, sunshine and once in a while.. Puzzle that one together, Nostradamus


I like giving you a hard time.. All in good fun..

 

I wasn't saying it to toot my own horn..,,

 

There was a lesson there (that probably still won't be learned by some on this board)....

 

By 27, if you have a RB on the roster who's amassed a large workload to that point, its time to start shopping him, even if theres not much sign of decline at that point, because its coming....and fast. 

 

People need to put their fan-boy allegiences aside and think about whats smartest for the franchise rather than their own selfish player likes. 

Quote:Yes true, but coming off the season in which he led the league in rushing, it would have been ideal to trade Mojo at time..

 

Exactly. They could at worst gotten a 3rd for him at that point. At worst. 

Quote:So Gerhart is set to recieve $4 million, from the jags. But Mojo signed a contract for $1.2 million in Oakland, hmm we couldnt pay that?..Lets hope Caldwell is making a good decision, cuz i think it would have been better and cheaper to keep Mojo..Ijs ..

 

 

Quote:I aint saying hang on to him but for that contract you bring in a rookie rb and split carries with him like we did Freddy T.

What makes you believe he would have been willing to stay here regardless of price?

Quote:I wasn't saying it to toot my own horn..,,


There was a lesson there (that probably still won't be learned by some on this board)....


By 27, if you have a RB on the roster who's amassed a large workload to that point, its time to start shopping him, even if theres not much sign of decline at that point, because its coming....and fast.


People need to put their fan-boy allegiences aside and think about whats smartest for the franchise rather than their own selfish player likes.

I think the Jags did an excellent job bleeding him dry. Getting every last drop. Not much was really lost from a trade value aspect. Nickels and dimes really. No regrets and let the Gerhart/Todman era begin!! I see an old school ground and pound type of year.. I think Gerhart/Todman is going to make people forget about Mojo.


#excited

Quote:Exactly. They could at worst gotten a 3rd for him at that point. At worst.

I highly doubt it. Even in that season the decline was starting to show.



History has dictated that after rushing for 300+ carries in multiple years the decline comes fast and hard.


Alexander, Holmes, Lewis, Johnson, Jones Drew etc etc.

Quote:What makes you believe he would have been willing to stay here regardless of price?

Hmmm no ones knows that but him.. From what i know, he wanted to stay here, he was never contacted by Gus or Caldwell in regards to his contract..

Quote:I think the Jags did an excellent job bleeding him dry. Getting every last drop. Not much was really lost from a trade value aspect. Nickels and dimes really. No regrets and let the Gerhart/Todman era begin!! I see an old school ground and pound type of year.. I think Gerhart/Todman is going to make people forget about Mojo.


#excited

 

I don't see an old school ground and pound here next year. Del Rio is not the coach anymore. (Thank God!!!!!)

 

Gerhart is good in blitz pickup and decent at receiving out of the backfield. I think the Jags will run, but more of a pass team to set up the run....

 

The old Jags teams would run to set up the run. #3yardsandcloudofdust

Quote:Hmmm no ones knows that but him.. From what i know, he wanted to stay here, he was never contacted by Gus or Caldwell in regards to his contract..

 

We're better off without MoJo at this point, even at 1.5 MIL or whatever he signed for. He'd still have a chip on his shoulder with us had he only been paid that here. We're moving on. Let go of the past. He had no place on the rebuilding Jags. 

 

He's in fast decline anyway. 

 

Gerhart will be much better overall than Drew from this point forward....and I want to see another young RB brought in for the other part of the tandem, regardless of what we do with Todman.