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Quote:You're only looking at one side of it. It may be a good decision to draft one.

 

Is anyone here saying we shouldn't draft a QB?  If so, I haven't seen it. 

Quote:Is anyone here saying we shouldn't draft a QB? If so, I haven't seen it.

People are basically saying to only draft a qb if he a sure fire lock which happens once a decade.

Quote:You're only looking at one side of it. It may be a good decision to draft one.

 

Just like Geno with the #2, right?

 

I think it's clear which side has put in more homework than the other side.

 

As the saying goes, there's a sucker born every minute.

Quote:People are basically saying to only draft a qb if he a sure fire lock which happens once a decade.

 

I don't see anyone saying anything of the sort.  Perhaps you're misinterpreting their point?

 

People are saying don't reach for a QB.  People are saying they expect the team to draft one, and the hope is they land their guy without overreaching to do so. 

 

There's a segment on this board who are convinced the team should draft a QB early just to draft a QB, even if they have to take one at #3.  It's the "must draft" mindset which landed us Gabbert.  There are plenty of QBs in this draft who are capable of being developed into very good players for this team, and I fully expect the Jags to grab a couple of them in the draft.  It may not be the first pick, or they may trade down a bit to get their guy.  I just don't see them making a selection at QB at #3.

What about Mettenberger in the 3rd-4th and Boyd at 6th-7th? 

 

I think have potential to develop into good players. I also like Murray..

 

But with all the other picks you can build your roster. There's a lot of value that can be grabbed with those 1st and 2nd rounders and the potential to grab solid starters with the mid-late rounders. 

Quote:I don't see anyone saying anything of the sort. Perhaps you're misinterpreting their point?


People are saying don't reach for a QB. People are saying they expect the team to draft one, and the hope is they land their guy without overreaching to do so.


There's a segment on this board who are convinced the team should draft a QB early just to draft a QB, even if they have to take one at #3. It's the "must draft" mindset which landed us Gabbert. There are plenty of QBs in this draft who are capable of being developed into very good players for this team, and I fully expect the Jags to grab a couple of them in the draft. It may not be the first pick, or they may trade down a bit to get their guy. I just don't see them making a selection at QB at #3.

Very possible I misinterpreted.


I'm not in the "must draft". I do think teddy is worth the 3rd pick and I'll be a little upset but fine as long as it's not a tackle. It was the same last year and everyone refuses to remember me saying tbat.


Also, the people who say draft a qb are saying that because it's not a reach in their mind. Just a difference in opinion between two parties.


To the poster who said Mett. I would really like that. He's my favorite qb outside of the top3 guys.

Quote:Just like Geno with the #2, right?


I think it's clear which side has put in more homework than the other side.


As the saying goes, there's a sucker born every minute.

Homework? You don't know how much research I've done.


As the saying goes, some people say cucumbers taste better pickled.

Quote:Very possible I misinterpreted.


I'm not in the "must draft". I do think teddy is worth the 3rd pick and I'll be a little upset but fine as long as it's not a tackle. It was the same last year and everyone refuses to remember me saying tbat.


Also, the people who say draft a qb are saying that because it's not a reach in their mind. Just a difference in opinion between two parties.


To the poster who said Mett. I would really like that. He's my favorite qb outside of the top3 guys.

 

Some agree on Bridgewater, but many don't see him at pick 3.  It's a reach, and it would force the team to rush him out on the field too soon.  I'm fine with trading back and grabbing him later along with getting the extra picks. But, he's not one of the 3 best players in the draft. 

 

I would hate to see this team reach for a player, especially if there's a realistic possibility you could get him and extra picks in the process.  I think that's precisely the case with Bridgewater.  You could probably slide back to the 6-10 range and still draft him. 

Quote:People are basically saying to only draft a qb if he a sure fire lock which happens once a decade.

 

Draft a QB *with the number 3 pick* only if he's a lock franchise kind of player.  Reaching on any player regardless of the position, especially that high up, is not smart.  You can certainly pick up a high-potential guy in later rounds.

Quote:Homework? You don't know how much research I've done.


As the saying goes, some people say cucumbers taste better pickled.

 

The 2013 results speak for themselves, and these nearly a carbon copies of those same conversations on the same topic.  So, I've got only history to rely on here.

Quote:The 2013 results speak for themselves, and these nearly a carbon copies of those same conversations on the same topic. So, I've got only history to rely on here.

So Geno is a bust already? He doesn't get 3 years.

      We have to many holes to fill, so Build the Roster!!!  If the Franchise QB opportunity presents itself while building the roster, draft or trade for him. That's what Dave is doing right now. Cant wait until Year 3 of this plan. We are going to be a playoff team with a Top 5 Defense. Everybody who visits Duvall will have to be prepared to get HIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  #Can't-wait.

Without drafting a QB this year, we are securing an extended stay in London.

Quote:Without drafting a QB this year, we are securing an extended stay in London.

 

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Quote:So Geno is a bust already? He doesn't get 3 years.

 

Three years?  One thing at a time.  He's going to have to win the job vs. Vick first.  Baby steps.

 

When you have a QB that needs seasoning, you don't take him in the top 5.  If it's repeated to you enough, maybe one day it will sink in.

I agree with Pirkster in that a top 5 player in the draft should be able to start immediately and be an impact player, but the debate of whether or not sitting a rookie qb helps is a tough debate.  Would Aaron Rodgers been any less great had he not sat under Bret Farve for example?


If you draft a QB in the top 5, you can argue as to whether he should start or not if he beats out the veteran QB you have in preseason but he should def. be an NFL QB starter on most teams taken that high in my opinion.

 

The so called premium positions usually starts with QB, DE (because he sacks other teams QBs), OT {those 3 especially usually go in the top 5 if they are worthy of going that high before other positions}.

If not say all the QBs are really a huge risk, then if a team takes them in the 1st round they probably have to start them anyways because they are desperate... (really i would go as far as saying top 15)..  see Gabert for example.... all this talk about how they have no intention of starting him right away went right out the window...

 

I would really be shocked if Matthews and Robinson were not taken in the top 10, however their is a lot of great OTs in this draft and some are quite similar to the two but still teams need an anchor like them.


I think a team will jump up and take Johnny Football if not the Texans, maybe a trade up to the Rams or Jags to draft him.  You can debate on whether or not he's a reach, but teams know success rides on the offensive leader of the team & he's the smartest / most talented QB in this year's draft.

 

I think Clowney will go 1st or 2nd in the draft but I'm hoping 3rd to the Jaguars.

Quote:Three years? One thing at a time. He's going to have to win the job vs. Vick first. Baby steps.


When you have a QB that needs seasoning, you don't take him in the top 5. If it's repeated to you enough, maybe one day it will sink in.

Doubtful because I don't agree and that's fine. I know it's crazy to think but people are allowed to have differing opinions.

Quote:Doubtful because I don't agree and that's fine. I know it's crazy to think but people are allowed to have differing opinions.

 

I'm the biggest proponent for having differing opinions.

 

Just make them well-founded, making sure you listen closely to the other side and keep an open mind.  You're not even stopping to consider it's deja-vu all over again for you.

 

Our biggest hangup isn't our like/dislike of the player, it's choosing where to draft them.  We'll see who's right in about seven days on that front, just as we did a year ago.

Quote:I'm the biggest proponent for having differing opinions.


Just make them well-founded, making sure you listen closely to the other side and keep an open mind. You're not even stopping to consider it's deja-vu all over again for you.


Our biggest hangup isn't our like/dislike of the player, it's choosing where to draft them. We'll see who's right in about seven days on that front, just as we did a year ago.

Again no we won't. I've said this countless times. Qb is not a position in willing to risk. If you think a qb can be the guy you take him as soon as possible.its just not worth the risk of losing that qb.


Looking at everyone's favorite example, Sesttle.i think they still win the Super Bowl if they drafted Wilson at 16. Irvin wasn't the difference but Wilson was.


The nfl is going in the direction you support, I just don't agree. I think 2011 freaked everyone out and gms are scared now to risk there job on a qb. I don't think gms should be fired for missing on one qb. It's weird that a gm with a good track record can lose their job for one bust. But that's a different topic for a different day.

Quote:Again no we won't. I've said this countless times. Qb is not a position in willing to risk. If you think a qb can be the guy you take him as soon as possible.its just not worth the risk of losing that qb.


Looking at everyone's favorite example, Sesttle.i think they still win the Super Bowl if they drafted Wilson at 16. Irvin wasn't the difference but Wilson was.


The nfl is going in the direction you support, I just don't agree. I think 2011 freaked everyone out and gms are scared now to risk there job on a qb. I don't think gms should be fired for missing on one qb. It's weird that a gm with a good track record can lose their job for one bust. But that's a different topic for a different day.

 

Psst... they won because they drafted him where he was supposed to be drafted.  He's the same player no matter where you select him.

 

They were wise, and their patience served them well.  There's simply no logic that supports taking him any earlier.  It simply can't be spun.  It's an insult to intelligence.