Quote:You didnt say it, but it was certainly implied.
I didnt yell or insult anyone. I just stated a fact.
And this kyjag guy always comes in here and says, "well you have no idea how to evaluate so you dont know what you are talking about."
So he isnt the innocent little victim here.
I apologize for seeming to implying something I didn't intend, then. Honestly, I'm just a little cantankerous today.
My apologies to you too, pirk. I really have no way of knowing how much analysis you do. Work's just getting to me lately.
Quote:Doesn't even come close to all the Bridgewater lunacy. Just look at all the avatards and sigs.
I dont know about that. Johnny Football lovers are ramp-id as well
Quote:This thread isn't an attempt to deflect away the fact Manziel ripped it in his pro day while Teddy struggled is it?
Nope, just wondering what people think. Teddy was 'average at best' in his pro day and Manziel was good. Then Teddy runs circles around Manziel breaking down the film and drawing on the white board in the classroom.
It doesn't matter to me because my QB evaluations have been long done, but I know many people on here change their minds as often as the tide turns so I was wondering what those people thought.
Quote:You can't be serious
Not sure I follow, We dont have a sarcasm button so Im not sure if you are serious...sorry
Quote:Nope, just wondering what people think. Teddy was 'average at best' in his pro day and Manziel was good. Then Teddy runs circles around Manziel breaking down the film and drawing on the white board in the classroom.
It doesn't matter to me because my QB evaluations have been long done, but I know many people on here change their minds as often as the tide turns so I was wondering what those people thought.
Manziel wasn't just good though. He was flat out amazing. Some of those deep passes were incredible. Teddy looked awful in shorts during his pro day. Manziel was a beast in helmet and pads.
I still like Teddy but may be shifting to Manziel but neither of them at #3. We will basically take Mack Watkins or Clowney.
Quote:Very instructive.
Thank you for the link.
No problem, I found another but it wasnt as informative as that one...Im sure this is what the coaches and GMs also see and have concerns with.
Quote:Trolllll. TB will be 4 times the pro the circus midget will ever be.
I can just picture you at home pulling your hair out and screaming at the computer because we talk about QBs other than your man love.
Quote:Manziel wasn't just good though. He was flat out amazing. Some of those deep passes were incredible. Teddy looked awful in shorts during his pro day. Manziel was a beast in helmet and pads.
I still like Teddy but may be shifting to Manziel but neither of them at #3. We will basically take Mack Watkins or Clowney.
That's the crux of it. It was total rockstar, whether you buy into the hype or not. No one can recall any Pro Day where the QB went helmet and pads for the workout.
He turned heads (and admittedly surprised me with the fanfare and circus factor), but I agree - I still don't think any of the QBs are worth our third pick. What changed for me is that his risk/reward factor just got a little less risky. This of course, is coupled with the Gruden QB Camp where he stood tall (pun intended) against Gruden's attempts to challenge him. I'm wary of short QBs, but it's becoming more common lately. Shorter QBs are having success and proving they shouldn't be written off on that alone. The risk remains no doubt about it, I'm just less worried about the risk than I was before.
Quote:Doesn't even come close to all the Bridgewater lunacy. Just look at all the avatards and sigs.
I don't think so. There's a few Teddy avatars, can't tell you about sigs because I've never had those on.
Johnny Manziel has multiple people who have made USERNAMES dedicated to him. Then they continue to post thread, after thread, after thread about the kid.
As far as the thread topic goes:
It's difficult for me to answer because I haven't gotten a chance to speak to Johnny 1 on 1 and see the reasoning behind why he doesn't know the progressions. My understanding is he simply wasn't asked to do it prior to now, he was asked to rely on his God given ability (man, he sure has a lot of that) to make plays and it worked. My point is if that's the case, as an NFL Coach/GM, you have to determine one of two things. 1. Do you try and adapt your offense to Johnny and play him closer to he was in college or 2. Do you have to change his play style and teach him the progressions, reads, mental side of the QB spot. If you choose option 2, you must be confident you can teach him that side of the came and confident that he is capable of learning the mental aspect of playing QB.
IF, and this is an unknown IF, he is capable of adapting and learning that side of the game...he's going to be a fantastic QB. That has been my biggest and only real issue with Johnny. Can he learn to read a defense at the line, sit in the pocket and go through his progressions when he needs to, and if that fails then make things happen as you need to. If Caldwell and Dave feel that he can do that it would be tough not to pick him. He's got a great arm and the throws he is capable of making, while distorting his body as needed to avoid contact, are remarkable.
After watching an interview this morning with him the kid seems energetic and willing to do what it takes to be an NFL QB. I know that people have compared him to Tebow with his 'following' or 'circus' and I don't agree with that one bit. Johnny is twice the QB Tebow could ever be. He's a better football player. The only thing he lacks is the size Tebow has. I would welcome Johnny here, regardless of his 'circus' if Gus and Dave think they can work with the kid. On top of that...his attitude seems entirely different than Tim Tebow.
Quote:That's the crux of it. It was total rockstar, whether you buy into the hype or not. No one can recall any Pro Day where the QB went helmet and pads for the workout.
He turned heads (and admittedly surprised me with the fanfare and circus factor), but I agree - I still don't think any of the QBs are worth our third pick. What changed for me is that his risk/reward factor just got a little less risky. This of course, is coupled with the Gruden QB Camp where he stood tall (pun intended) against Gruden's attempts to challenge him. I'm wary of short QBs, but it's becoming more common lately. Shorter QBs are having success and proving they shouldn't be written off on that alone. The risk remains no doubt about it, I'm just less worried about the risk than I was before.
The helmet and pads thing is overblown vs shorts and a t-shirt. If anything he should be more comfortable in a helmet in pads in those situations than other QBs were throwing without them.
As for your 2nd paragraph we agree on that issue. Johnny is a risk but he also offers a team a potentially very high reward.
I'd encourage folks to watch the Gruden QB Camp in it's entirety.
I was a bit surprised. I don't think he's the problem child he appeared to be earlier in the season. I think things just got too big to fast for him, and he's learned from it.
His personality and competitive spirit is really apparent. He's genuine, and he wants to keep growing as a QB.
I found him to be guy difficult not to root for. I'm not sold on him at #3, but I want to see the guy become an NFL QB.
Quote:The helmet and pads thing is overblown vs shorts and a t-shirt. If anything he should be more comfortable in a helmet in pads in those situations than other QBs were throwing without them.
As for your 2nd paragraph we agree on that issue. Johnny is a risk but he also offers a team a potentially very high reward.
Maybe so, but he was the first to do it. Ever. Just like Ted's decision to throw without the gloves, it could have backfired in his face. When the stakes were high, he raised them even higher himself. And won. JohnnyCircus.
Quote:Maybe so, but he was the first to do it. Ever. Just like Ted's decision to throw without the gloves, it could have backfired in his face. When the stakes were high, he raised them even higher himself. And won. JohnnyCircus.
I still don't see how it is raising the stakes though. Different sure, but more difficult? I don't agree.
Quote:Has Gruden ever not given someone a ringing endorsement? As smart as the man is with QBs, if he really called it like he saw it with every prospect who walked in, he'd have a hard time getting people to sit down with him. Not a shot at Booziel, just a statement of fact.
Go back and get Gruden's opinion of Gabbert then ask again.
Quote:He does a hell of a lot more analysis than you, pal.
Watching youtube "cut-ups" before bed hardly counts as analysis!
Quote:I still don't see how it is raising the stakes though. Different sure, but more difficult? I don't agree.
Like driving a golf ball off the bottom of a playmate, the more unnecessary elements you include increase the chance something could go wrong. And when it does... it hurts you more than it would have helped by making it. There's only more to lose.
I am not going to say that Johnny is better than Teddy on the whiteboard.....
But didn't Gruden say to Johnny during the show "...guys who say you can't read defenses can kiss my butt" (keeping it PG)
So the OP...The one with the Teddy train avatar, is the only one who perceived this seesaw day?
Interesting.
Quote:The helmet and pads thing is overblown vs shorts and a t-shirt. If anything he should be more comfortable in a helmet in pads in those situations than other QBs were throwing without them.
As for your 2nd paragraph we agree on that issue. Johnny is a risk but he also offers a team a potentially very high reward.
Then they would all do it if they were more comfortable. That is the point. You are making yourself as comfortable as possible on a pro day. There is a reason he was the first to do it.
Quote:So the OP...The one with the Teddy train avatar, is the only one who perceived this seesaw day?
Interesting.
No no you got it all wrong. He is completely unbiased.