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Quote:By the end of his 4th NFL season he totaled 20 INT's.

Damn. You're right.


And for argument's sake, can remind me how many INT's Gratz had after his first 4 years in the NFL?


Thx

Quote:Damn. You're right.


And for argument's sake, can remind me how many INT's Gratz had after his first 4 years in the NFL?


Thx

 

In 4 years of college Gratz totaled 8 INT's. 

 

In Rashean's best college season, i.e. singular, he totaled 14. 

 

 

Good night, sir. 

Quote:In 4 years of college Gratz totaled 8 INT's.


In Rashean's best college season, i.e. singular, he totaled 14.



Good night, sir.

Interceptions while in college:


Richard Sherman- 6

Darelle Revis- 8

Champ Bailey- 2

Antonio Cromartie- 5

Deion Sanders- 5

Ronnie Lott- 6

Dwayne Gratz- 8


How bout them college stats...


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Quote:Interceptions while in college:


Richard Sherman- 6

Darelle Revis- 8

Champ Bailey- 2

Antonio Cromartie- 5

Deion Sanders- 5

Ronnie Lott- 6

Dwayne Gratz- 8


How bout them college stats...


Thanks for playing.

 

for the most part, while those are really good players, how many of them were considered "ball hawks" like Rashean? 

 

I never said Gratz wouldn't become any good, I said he wouldn't be a ball hawk. Now, Most likely Gratz ALSO won't become anything close to the level of DB as some of them either, so just sayin....

Quote:for the most part, while those are really good players, how many of them were considered "ball hawks" like Rashean?

Laughing out loud

Quote:Laughing out loud

 

why? just about all of those CB were usually avoided. 

 

Rashean was definitely a better ball hawk than Richard Sherman is, Lott was a Safety in the NFL, Deion is one of the best cover CB ever, Revis pretty much was a cover CB more than a playmaking ball hawk, Bailey?...Cromartie had that one year where he had like 8 or 9 INT and hasn't been able to come close since. 

 

Gratz will never be a ball hawk. Ever. Never. Ever. 

 

Sorry that this fairly should be obvious news ruins your day. 

Quote:for the most part, while those are really good players, how many of them were considered "ball hawks" like Rashean? 

 

 

You can't be serious with that statement. That's the who's who of CBs.

Quote:You can't be serious with that statement. That's the who's who of CBs.

 

You're misunderstanding what I am saying. I agree they are top notch as far as taking the opposing WR out of the game....but other than Deion, and Lott (who was a Safety and don't belong anyway) the rest of those weren't known for their playmaking/ ball hawk tendencies. 

 

A guy like DeAngelo Hall may not be the level of cover CB like those are, but he would fit more to the type of playmaking Rashean-like ball hawk DB that I am talking about us needing to add. 

Quote:You're misunderstanding what I am saying. I agree they are top notch as far as taking the opposing WR out of the game....but other than Deion, and Lott (who was a Safety and don't belong anyway) the rest of those weren't known for their playmaking/ ball hawk tendencies. 

 

A guy like DeAngelo Hall may not be the level of cover CB like those are, but he would fit more to the type of playmaking Rashean-like ball hawk DB that I am talking about us needing to add. 

You want Hall over Sherman? Hell, any of those guys? Again, you can't be serious.

Quote:You're misunderstanding what I am saying. I agree they are top notch as far as taking the opposing WR out of the game....but other than Deion, and Lott (who was a Safety and don't belong anyway) the rest of those weren't known for their playmaking/ ball hawk tendencies. 

 

A guy like DeAngelo Hall may not be the level of cover CB like those are, but he would fit more to the type of playmaking Rashean-like ball hawk DB that I am talking about us needing to add. 

Why are you forcing this "playmaking ballhawk" to our secondary?

 

Where has it been expressed that we absolutely need one?  I think you're just looking at Seattle and saying "seee.. they have a ballhawk in Earl Thomas... that must mean we have to build exactly that same way"

Quote:You want Hall over Sherman? Hell, any of those guys? Again, you can't be serious.

 

Uhmmmm SHerman isn't on the level of those guys, please....

 

I guess the Seattle hangover is still affecting people. 

 

As far as those guys go, gee I didn't realize CB like those were so easy to get. 

 

 

A ball hawk like Rashean or Hall are easier to find than an all time HOF great like Deion or Bailey

Quote:Interceptions while in college:


Richard Sherman- 6

Darelle Revis- 8

Champ Bailey- 2

Antonio Cromartie- 5

Deion Sanders- 5

Ronnie Lott- 6

Dwayne Gratz- 8


How bout them college stats...


Thanks for playing.

 

 

Quote:for the most part, while those are really good players, how many of them were considered "ball hawks" like Rashean? 

 

INTs per NFL season-

 

Richard Sherman-     6.67

Ronnie Lott-     4.5

Deion Sanders-     3.79

Antonio Cromartie-     3.5

Champ Bailey-     3.46

Darrelle Revis-     3

Rashean Mathis-     2.72

 

Clearly, Rashean is the ball hawk all of those guys wish they could be.

 

 

We done here?

Quote:Why are you forcing this "playmaking ballhawk" to our secondary?

 

Where has it been expressed that we absolutely need one?  I think you're just looking at Seattle and saying "seee.. they have a ballhawk in Earl Thomas... that must mean we have to build exactly that same way"

 

Its like people on this forum are almost "against" playmakers...... :confused: 

 

Defenses like Bradley's need them to truly be effective. Its not coincidence that once the Hawks' got Earl Thomas their defense changed for the better. hint: he's a ball hawk. 

Quote:INTs per NFL season-

 

Richard Sherman-     6.67

Ronnie Lott-     4.5

Deion Sanders-     3.79

Antonio Cromartie-     3.5

Champ Bailey-     3.46

Darrelle Revis-     3

Rashean Mathis-     2.72

 

Clearly, Rashean is the ball hawk all of those guys wish they could be.

 

 

We done here?

 

Rashean fell off big time in the INT department in his later years with injuries and stuff. 

 

In his prime, Rashean was better than those as far as ball hawking goes. 

 

You can pretend all you want that Rashean wasn't one of the best in the sport from 2004-2007 at forcing the big play INT, but I won't. 

 

ANd I know you also want to pretend as if Gratz and our secondary is good enough as is with the DB's it has, #underdogcomplex, but sorry, it isn't. 

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

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ANd I know you also want to pretend as if Gratz and our secondary is good enough as is with the DB's it has, #underdogcomplex, but sorry, it isn't. 

 

No, we're just not going to pretend that we know what we have in Gratz.

 

He played pretty well in his 1st year, when he played.  He hasn't shown us much else.  We don't know... nor do you.

 

I'm not against finding playmakers - I think everybody wants playmakers.  Not like you're shedding some new light on the issue.

Quote:No, we're just not going to pretend that we know what we have in Gratz.

 

He played pretty well in his 1st year, when he played.  He hasn't shown us much else.  We don't know... nor do you.

 

I'm not against finding playmakers - I think everybody wants playmakers.  Not like you're shedding some new light on the issue.

 

Gratz is a ham & egger. NOTHING more, nothing less. He wasn't even the best CB on his team in college. He does nothing extremely well, but nothing extremely poor, either. 

Quote:Gratz is a ham & egger. NOTHING more, nothing less. He wasn't even the best CB on his team in college. He does nothing extremely well, but nothing extremely poor, either. 

 

Seems like he was drafted to just be a decent starter, someone you can plug in and expect to do a decent job.  

 

A selection based on need last year.

 

Gus said that Gratz was the only CB left when they picked last year that had a starting grade, so they took him.  You first need to field a decent team.

 

I think guys like McCray were those that were selected on high potential that could also bust realistically.  They really seem to like McCray so we'll see if he develops into anything.

 

 

What you speak of (playmaking DB) is what I see in LaMarcus Joyner.  I want him.  

Quote:INTs per NFL season-

 

Richard Sherman-     6.67

Ronnie Lott-     4.5

Deion Sanders-     3.79

Antonio Cromartie-     3.5

Champ Bailey-     3.46

Darrelle Revis-     3
Rashean Mathis-     2.72


 

How bout those numbers Mr Ham&Egger?


You know...that Richard Sherman guy who we are all naively blinded into over valuing because of a "Seahawks hangover"...


He's got back to back seasons with 8 INTs, matching Rashean's career high, outlier season.


What say you, Tiny Dancer?


Come squirm and spin and entertain me.

Rashean WAS a ballhawk.

 

Not for long, but in his prime, he definitely was.