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Quote:Ayyyy someone read my post!!! He's a free agent

I don't particularly want him for the team cause idk if wed maximize his skillset, but hes a damn good player. If he keeps on playing id hope he stays with the chargers.

Quote:I don't particularly want him for the team cause idk if wed maximize his skillset, but hes a damn good player. If he keeps on playing id hope he stays with the chargers.

If we get Jim Bob i'd be interested because i like how he uses Abdullah/Riddick but if we dont get him i agree with you!

Quote:Can we stop disrespecting danny woodhead when talking about white rbs btw cause hes been excellent for most of his career, one of the better receiving backs of our era.

FWIW, there was no disrespect intended from me towards Woodhead.

Quote:This is getting a bit ridiculous, but yes, if he was bi-racial, I would draft him. Bi-racial RB's have proven successful in the NFL. I don't know why caucasian RB's haven't been successful in the NFL, but they haven't and until they do, I won't draft them. 

 

Maybe it's getting ridiculous because you have put yourself in an ridiculous position? A guy with those kind of measurables and accolades would be considered the first pick in the draft in any draft. There's a time when you have to look at history for guidance, and there's a time when you look at what you have in front of you.

 

And since you have put yourself in this position of skin color, where is the threshold for when you have to ignore his skin color and look at his measurables? 6' , 260 lbs 3.9 40 with a 50'' vert? Would you draft him then? What if he had red hair?

This thread definitely took a bad left turn at Albuquerque.  LOL

 

I've never seen so many silly, invented rules about drafting and coach hiring as I have the last few days. 

 

White RB fear is real around here. I'm not sure how one can be so comfortable with themselves in the practice of blatant racial discrimination. Weird. 

 

I'll never understand why individuals can't be treated as individuals instead of being judged by some falsely proclaimed precedent. 

Quote:I have no idea, but the fact remains that they haven't been successful. If skin color doesn't matter, explain to me why there hasn't been any great caucasian RB's since the 80's? 

 

Again, with King, it isn't that African American players couldn't punt. It's that they didn't want to. There was just a lack of black players at the position. They chose to play other positions. Can you blame them? Why would anyone want to be a punter, when they could be anything else on the team? 

 

So you're answering your own damn question.  Perhaps there is a lack of white running backs.

Quote:So you're answering your own damn question.  Perhaps there is a lack of successful
white running backs.

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White RB fear is real around here. I'm not sure how one can be so comfortable with themselves in the practice of blatant racial discrimination. Weird. 

 

Racial discrimination?

Hardly.

 

Well.. maybe a select few would say "I don't want a white RB because he is white" but it is more along the lines of "white running backs historically aren't anything worth having"

It doesn't make you racist to point out a truth.

 

Mike Alstott, Csonka, Riggins, Woodhead......... I ran out of white RBs that have even been mildly successful...

However we can ramble off loads of black RBs.

 

Why? If it has nothing to do with genetic makeup of race... is it pure happenstance? 

 

I honestly don't have an answer. But to block out the question of whether race has anything to do with a particular skill set is actually kind of silly.

If you think your genetic makeup doesn't alter how fast or strong or smart you are/can be.... well I got nothin for ya.

 

Deeming someone racist or discriminatory when they're are not is the wrong turn, imo.

Quote:Maybe it's getting ridiculous because you have put yourself in an ridiculous position? A guy with those kind of measurables and accolades would be considered the first pick in the draft in any draft. There's a time when you have to look at history for guidance, and there's a time when you look at what you have in front of you.

 

And since you have put yourself in this position of skin color, where is the threshold for when you have to ignore his skin color and look at his measurables? 6' , 260 lbs 3.9 40 with a 50'' vert? Would you draft him then? What if he had red hair?

 

 

If he's white, I don't draft him period. Not until it is proven that a caucasian RB can be a successful feature runner in the NFL. Is that clear enough?

So then you are willing to let a player pass you by that will turn out to be a proven contributor, right?

 

I agree that statistics are on your side in terms of a white Running Back but I think that a roster is better served if you objectively judge a prospect based on his abilities. I don't like letting great players walk on by.

Quote:Racial discrimination?

Hardly.

 

Well.. maybe a select few would say "I don't want a white RB because he is white" but it is more along the lines of "white running backs historically aren't anything worth having"

It doesn't make you racist to point out a truth.

 

Mike Alstott, Csonka, Riggins, Woodhead......... I ran out of white RBs that have even been mildly successful...

However we can ramble off loads of black RBs.

 

Why? If it has nothing to do with genetic makeup of race... is it pure happenstance? 

 

I honestly don't have an answer. But to block out the question of whether race has anything to do with a particular skill set is actually kind of silly.

If you think your genetic makeup doesn't alter how fast or strong or smart you are/can be.... well I got nothin for ya.

 

Deeming someone racist or discriminatory when they're are not is the wrong turn, imo.

 

I see your points.  I get what you are saying.  

 

What I'm saying is that blindly assuming a white RB is not worth drafting/pursuing without doing the same amount of due diligence scouting him would be stupid.  Really stupid.  Stupid enough to make me question one's motive. I'll rescind the discrimination comment.  Maybe it's just ignorance and not discrimination. 

 

Ever had the flu?  And also had a sore throat along with that flu?  Next time you got a sore throat, did you just assume you had the flu again?  Or could something else cause a sore throat instead of the flu?  I'm talking about the assumption of causation. It's a trap for fools. 

 

Are there fewer successful white running backs than black running backs historically? Absolutely.  

But the fact that there have actually been successful white RBs means it will likely occur again. Therefore writing off a guy because he's white is stupid. 

 

This exclusionary line of thinking may not be racist, but it's incredibly closed-minded.

 

Also  -   Everyone benefits differently from their genetic code and you don't actually know squat about the genetic codes of many of these young student athletes today by glancing at their skin tone.  We are becoming more homogenized than you may be aware and quickly. You can't decipher a young man's ancestry and genetic make-up so casually, IMO. 

 

Anyway  - carry on fellas.  I just find the thought of dismissing anyone from consideration about ANYTHING due to color to be some backwards and antiquated thinking. 

Quote:So then you are willing to let a player pass you by that will turn out to be a proven contributor, right?

 

I agree that statistics are on your side in terms of a white Running Back but I think that a roster is better served if you objectively judge a prospect based on his abilities. I don't like letting great players walk on by.

 

 

Yep. Let somebody else take the risk. I'm looking for low risk players. I'm not a gambler.

Quote:Yep. Let somebody else take the risk. I'm looking for low risk players. I'm not a gambler.

Didn't you suggest trading a 3rd for Sean Mannion?

Quote:Didn't you suggest trading a 3rd for Sean Mannion?

 

 

I really don't consider a 3rd rounder that much of a risk. It's not like I would start the bidding off at a 3rd round pick anyway. I'd probably start with a 5th and if I had to, I'd go as high as a 3rd. He wouldn't even be my top target. Savage would, but that may not be an option now. If you watch the preseason, Mannion is by far the best QB on the Rams roster. I could see him coming in and giving us a chance to get to a .500 record or slightly better, until we are finally able to draft a true franchise QB in 2018. Then, he could move to #2 and become a much more reliable backup QB than Henne ever was. I was merely suggesting him as a band-aid in what I would turn into a run first offense with a re-vamped O-Line and a feature back. Nothing more. It's certainly not like I was suggesting him as a QB of the future. I'm sorry if people read it that way. I just see him as a better short term option than what I see in this free agent class and this coming draft.

Quote:I really don't consider a 3rd rounder that much of a risk. It's not like I would start the bidding off at a 3rd round pick anyway. I'd probably start with a 5th and if I had to, I'd go as high as a 3rd. He wouldn't even be my top target. Savage would, but that may not be an option now. If you watch the preseason, Mannion is by far the best QB on the Rams roster. I could see him coming in and giving us a chance to get to a .500 record or slightly better, until we are finally able to draft a true franchise QB in 2018. Then, he could move to #2 and become a much more reliable backup QB than Henne ever was. I was merely suggesting him as a band-aid in what I would turn into a run first offense with a re-vamped O-Line and a feature back. Nothing more. It's certainly not like I was suggesting him as a QB of the future. I'm sorry if people read it that way. I just see him as a better short term option than what I see in this free agent class and this coming draft.

A top 5 pick in the round 3rd for an awful backup caliber QB ( Sean Mannion) sounds very risky to me.


Yannick and Linder are both high 3rd round picks

McCaffrey in the 3rd = too risky

Trading a 3rd for Sean Mannion = Not risky


Got it.

Quote:McCaffrey in the 3rd = too risky

Trading a 3rd for Sean Mannion = Not risky


Got it.

lol

Quote:A top 5 pick in the round 3rd for an awful backup caliber QB ( Sean Mannion) sounds very risky to me.


Yannick and Linder are both high 3rd round picks

 

 

Again, you are talking about the absolute top dollar bid for Mannion. He would likely to be gotten for a 4th. As for an awful backup, I'd take him 7 days a week, 365 days a year over Henne. If you look at the Rams boards, they are clamoring for him to start, because their other two QB's are so bad.

 

I also would consider using a 3rd on Mannion and a 1st on a QB in 2018, a lot less risky than using a 1st or 2nd round pick in this upcoming draft on a QB. That would be a complete waste. The talent just isn't there. 

Quote:McCaffrey in the 3rd = too risky

Trading a 3rd for Sean Mannion = Not risky


Got it.

 

 

Did I say it wasn't risky? Everything is a risk. I just consider Mannion a lot less risky as a band aid until the 2018 draft, than burning a 1st or 2nd round pick on a QB in this draft. This incoming QB class is terrible. 

If we're trading for a backup QB it should be Hundley.