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Here's the bottom line.  Carr doesn't belong in the same conversation as JFF.  Carr is a fringe 1st Rd prospect and JFF is a once in a lifetime talent and top overall player in the draft according to most experts.  Have a look for yourself.

 

JFF runs like Barry Sanders, sees the field like Montana, and throws like Marino.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTaBAPD5x6A

 

Carr locks onto his first read and doesn't go through his progressions.  He forces the ball into coverage on every throw.  Those will be picks at the next level because he lacks the elite arm strength JFF possesses.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xj-B-jFHb8Q

 

 

 

 

You must be high 

 

Come on man...you really believe that Manziel's arm strength is even close to Carr's

 

I will just leave this here

 

 
CBS Sports:

1. Jadeveon Clowney(#1 overall)

6. Teddy Bridgewater(#1 QB)

8. Blake Bortles(#2 QB)

13. Johnny Manziel(#3 QB)

32. Derek Carr(#4 QB)

35. Jimmy Garappolo(#5 QB)

ESPN:

1. Jadeveon Clowney(#1 overall)

8. Teddy Bridgewater(#1 QB)

9. Blake Bortles(#2 QB)

23. Johnny Manziel(#3 QB)


Don't have access to Mel Kiper's {but I imagine it's in similar order}

Matt Miller(BleacherReport)

1. Teddy Bridgewater(#1 overall)

2. Jadeveon Clowney

8. Blake Bortles(#2 QB)

11. Johnny Manziel(#3 QB)

13. Derek Carr(#4 QB)

42. Zach Mettenberger(#5 QB)

58. Jimmy Garoppolo(#6 QB)

92. A.J. McCarron(#7 QB)

Rotoworld(Pre-combine-early February)

1. Teddy Bridgewater(#1 overall)

2. Jadeveon Clowney

27. Johnny Manziel(#2 QB)

28. Blake Bortles(#3 QB)

29. Derek Carr(#4 QB)

SBNation(January)

1. Jadeveon Clowney(#1 overall)

3. Teddy Bridgewater(#1 QB)

11. Blake Bortles(#2 QB)

13. Johnny Manziel(#3 QB)

36. Derek Carr(#4 QB)

66. Zach Mettenberger(#5 QB)

77. Brett Smith(#6 QB)

93. Jimmy Garoppolo(#7 QB)

99. David Fales(#8 QB)

Mike Mayock's Positional Rankings

1. Teddy Bridgewater

2. Johnny Manziel

3. Blake Bortles

4. Derek Carr

T-5. A.J. McCarron

T-5. Jimmy Garoppolo

Daniel Jeremiah

1. Jadeveon Clowney(#1 overall)

9. Teddy Bridgewater(#1 QB)

10. Johnny Manziel(#2 QB)

18. Blake Bortles(#3 QB)

34. Derek Carr(#4 QB)

Bucky Brooks

1. Jadeveon Clowney(#1 overall)

5. Teddy Bridgewater(#1 QB)

6. Johnny Manziel(#2 QB)

18. Blake Bortles(#3 QB)

37. A.J. McCarron(#4 QB)

40. Derek Carr(#5 QB)

Gil Brandt(January)

1. Johnny Manziel(#1 overal)

2. Jadeveon Clowney

5. Blake Bortles(#2 QB)

6. Teddy Bridgewater(#3 QB)

21. Derek Carr(#4 QB)

49. A.J. McCarron(#5 QB)

SI

1. Jadeveon Clowney(#1 overall)

2. Teddy Bridgewater(#1 QB)

13. Johnny Manziel(#2 QB)

18. Blake Bortles(#3 QB)

39. Derek Carr(#4 QB)

WalterFootball

1. Jadeveon Clowney(#1 overall)

12. Blake Bortles(#1 QB)

13. Johnny Manziel(#2 QB)

14. Teddy Bridgewater(#3 QB)

38. Derek Carr(#4 QB)

54. Zach Mettenberger(#5 QB)

56. Tajh Boyd(#6 QB)

76. Jimmy Garoppolo(#7 QB)

116. Stephen Morris(#8 QB)

117. Logan Thomas(#9 QB)

118. A.J. McCarron(#10 QB)

119. Bryn Renner(#11 QB)

120. David Fales(#12 QB)

125. Aaron Murray(#13 QB)

National Football Post

2. Jadaveon Clowney

6. Teddy Bridgewater(#1 QB)

10. Johnny Manziel(#2 QB)

39. Jimmy Garoppolo(#3 QB)

48. Derek Carr(#4 QB)

69. Blake Bortles(#5 QB)

75. Brett Smith(#6 QB)

79. David Fales(#7 QB)

85. Aaron Murray(#8 QB)

91. Zach Mettenberger(#9 QB)

112. Tajh Boyd(#10 QB)

128. James Franklin(#11 QB)

130. Jordan Lynch(#12 QB)

The Sideline View(January)

1. Johnny Manziel(#1 overall)

3. Jadeveon Clowney

4. Teddy Bridgewater(#2 QB)

10. Blake Bortles(#3 QB)

25. Derek Carr(#4 QB)

48. A.J. McCarron(#5 QB)

67. Zach Mettenberger(#6 QB)

69. Jimmy Garoppolo(#7 QB)

101. Brett Smith(#8 QB)

114. Aaron Murray(#9 QB)

128. David Fales(#10 QB)

OurLads Positional Rankings

1. Teddy Bridgewater

2. Johnny Manziel

3. Blake Bortles

4. Derek Carr

5. Jimmy Garoppolo

6. Zach Mettenberger

7. AJ McCarron

8. Tajh Boyd

9. Aaron Murray

10. David Fales

Quote:Here's the bottom line.  Carr doesn't belong in the same conversation as JFF.

You're right. Carr has a long future ahead of him as an NFL quarterback. Johnny Alcohol will be in jail in two years, and he'll be enjoying life there more than he ever did life as a football player.

Looks like JFF is ahead of Carr on every ballot.  NO surprise there.  There's just too many haters and that's why he isn't a UNANIMOUS #1.  People need to take off the blinders and recognize that you don't need to be 6 "4" + to be an Elite QB.  The shortest QB in the NFL just won the Super Bowl the last time I checked.  JFF is bigger than Wilson.

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You must be high 

 

Come on man...you really believe that Manziel's arm strength is even close to Carr's

 

I will just leave this here

 

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Johnny's Arm is on par with Brees while Carr has similar arm strength to Ponder.

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Your trolling now, obvious troll is obvious

Quote:Looks like JFF is ahead of Carr on every ballot.  NO surprise there.  There's just too many haters and that's why he isn't a UNANIMOUS #1.  People need to take off the blinders and recognize that you don't need to be 6 "4" + to be an Elite QB.  The shortest QB in the NFL just won the Super Bowl the last time I checked.  JFF is bigger than Wilson.

Wilson was also much more polished coming out with a stronger arm than Manziel

 

Besides he had a #1 defense and Marshawn Lynch to work with...

Okay maybe not as weak as Ponder.  Maybe on Gabbert's level.

Quote:Here's the bottom line.  Carr doesn't belong in the same conversation as JFF.  Carr is a fringe 1st Rd prospect and JFF is a once in a lifetime talent and top overall player in the draft according to most experts.  Have a look for yourself.

 

JFF runs like Barry Sanders, sees the field like Montana, and throws like Marino.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTaBAPD5x6A

 

Carr locks onto his first read and doesn't go through his progressions.  He forces the ball into coverage on every throw.  Those will be picks at the next level because he lacks the elite arm strength JFF possesses.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xj-B-jFHb8Q

Looking at both videos, if Carr plays like that in the Pros he will be a HOF, if JFF plays like that in the Pros, he will be injured a lot and be out of the NFL in 2 years.

Quote:Okay maybe not as weak as Ponder. Maybe on Gabbert's level.

Real question. Have you ever even watched football?

Quote:Okay maybe not as weak as Ponder. Maybe on Gabbert's level.

Have you ever, I don't know, looked at ANY clip of ANY deep pass that Derek Carr has ever thrown?

Quote:Have you ever, I don't know, looked at ANY clip of ANY deep pass that Derek Carr has ever thrown?

Yes I have. His deep ball hangs like punts and his WR has to wait on it. JFF throws a flatter deep ball that hits his WR in stride.

Quote:Yes I have. His deep ball hangs like punts and his WR has to wait on it. JFF throws a flatter deep ball that hits his WR in stride.

I'm sorry, I know I'm extremely biased against Johnny Alcohol, but I'll give the man credit where it's due. You, on the other hand, are straight-up nuts if you're going to tell me that Manziel has a stronger arm than Derek Carr. There's reality, there's homerism, and then there's comedy.

@AllbrightNFL: Spoken with seven of the top ten teams that will be picking in draft, unanimously prefer Carr to Manziel.

Manziel will drop big time 

I like Manziel but there's no question that Carr's arm talent is better.

Quote:I like Manziel but there's no question that Carr's arm talent is better.

If you call throwing 2 yd WR screens better arm talent then sure I agree with you.

Quote:If you call throwing 2 yd WR screens better arm talent then sure I agree with you.

 

Answer me this: did you watch a single Fresno State game? A single Fresno State play?

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Answer me this: did you watch a single Fresno State game? A single Fresno State play?

I watched the whole USC game.  Carr was not very impressive.  I agree with Todd McShay, he is a 5th round talent.

Here is a video of JFF passing only from the pocket. 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ziv2s2mt6U