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This thread actually came from a lot of what WingerDinger has been saying in his latest posts on these boards. And I think he's got a point.

 

From the Russell Wilson strength-of-arm thread

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Would have love to have seen Manziel face weaker conference opponents like Bridgewater did.. 

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Something that a lot of people on these boards forget is that Manziel did in fact play one team from Teddy's AAC conference this year: SMU.
*facestomp*

And I feel the results speak for themselves.
(*note: Teddy by chance did not play SMU this year, Bortles did.)

Quote:<div>Manziel against SMU from the AAC conference.
14-of-21 for 244-yards passing.
12-carries for 102-yards rushing.
He ended with a 92.1 QBR that day.
 
Bortles against the same SMU team from the AAC
24-35 for 242-yards passing.
10-carries for 31-yards rushing.
He ended with a 73.5 QBR that day.

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Manziel had more passing yards on 14-less passes, and the QBR-gap between the two is quite telling IMO. 
Oh, and keep in mind, Bortles did those numbers playing all 4 quarters. Manziel sat on the bench after one drive into the 3rd quarter.

 
And of course mind you, Johnny was doing this to AAC defenses, just one week after putting over 560-yards of total offense against the #1 ranked defense Alabama.  :blink: Perhaps Johnny in the AAC would have *averaged over 500-yards per game for the season, and a *90-plus QBR for the year. Pretty cray-cray just to imagine.
 
Perhaps WingerDinger has a point.

I think both Bridge and Manziel are really good. With Bortles a slight notch below. 

Quote:I think both Bridge and Manziel are really good. With Bortles a slight notch below. 

Couldn't have said it better myself. I want either Bridge or Manziel in Jags colors next year. Could honestly care less about Blake.

The strength of schedule argument is a weak one in the first place. Players cannot control that.

The SEC as a whole was a weak conference this year.  The defenses especially.  Even the vaunted Alabama D was below avg this past year. 

Quote:Couldn't have said it better myself. I want either Bridge or Manziel in Jags colors next year. Could honestly care less about Blake.

That's how I feel as well

Manziel plays a style more conducive to putting up big numbers... especially against weaker talent.  But you have to determine if his style will project to the next level.

Bortles is Kevin Kolb 2.0.

Why did you have to ruin your neat post by using the phrase "cray-cray"?

Quote:Why did you have to ruin your neat post by using the phrase "cray-cray"?

rofl!  I don't know where I heard that term from, but it seemed to fit at the end there. Isn't it just slang for 'crazy'? Still, you're concern is entirely valid and noted. lol.

A&M also has a 1st round O-Lineman and 1st round WR.

Quote:The SEC as a whole was a weak conference this year. The defenses especially. Even the vaunted Alabama D was below avg this past year.

No doubt Alabama defense last 2 year hasn't been very good. My Gators defense wasn't even good in 2013. There were some good offenses though. Bama,A&M,Lsu,Auburn,Georgia before injuries to Wr,Rb and Qb. South Carolina offense pretty good also. Still best conference though.

Quote:A&M also has a 1st round O-Lineman and 1st round WR.

Ogbuehi is going to be a top 10 pick next year too. Manziel never played without the two best OTs in the NCAA protecting him. 

Quote:This thread actually came from a lot of what <a class="bbc_url" href='http://jungle.jaguars.com/index.php?/user/21471-wingerdinger/'>WingerDinger</a> has been saying in his latest posts on these boards. And I think he's got a point.

 
From the Russell Wilson strength-of-arm thread




Something that a lot of people on these boards forget is that Manziel did in fact play one team from Teddy's AAC conference this year: SMU.

*facestomp*


And I feel the results speak for themselves.

(*note: Teddy by chance did not play SMU this year, Bortles did.)




Manziel had more passing yards on 14-less passes, and the QBR-gap between the two is quite telling IMO. 
Oh, and keep in mind, Bortles did those numbers playing all 4 quarters. Manziel sat on the bench after one drive into the 3rd quarter.


 
And of course mind you, Johnny was doing this to AAC defenses, just one week after putting over 560-yards of total offense against the #1 ranked defense Alabama.  :blink: Perhaps Johnny in the AAC would have *averaged over 500-yards per game for the season, and a *90-plus QBR for the year. Pretty cray-cray just to imagine.

 

Perhaps WingerDinger has a point.

I think I saw that UCF vs SMU game. The conditions were terrible as I remember. Lots of snow and extremely cold conditions. If that's the case, those games would be unfair to compare.

Quote:I think both Bridge and Manziel are really good. With Bortles a slight notch below.

I agree mostly. I actually think Bortles is pretty far below. My dream scenario of this draft is Houston going Bortles #1 for Teddy to fall into our laps.

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This thread actually came from a lot of what WingerDinger has been saying in his latest posts on these boards. And I think he's got a point.

 

<div>From the Russell Wilson strength-of-arm thread
 
Something that a lot of people on these boards forget is that Manziel did in fact play one team from Teddy's AAC conference this year: SMU.
*facestomp*

And I feel the results speak for themselves.
(*note: Teddy by chance did not play SMU this year, Bortles did.)
 
Manziel had more passing yards on 14-less passes, and the QBR-gap between the two is quite telling IMO. 
Oh, and keep in mind, Bortles did those numbers playing all 4 quarters. Manziel sat on the bench after one drive into the 3rd quarter.

 
And of course mind you, Johnny was doing this to AAC defenses, just one week after putting over 560-yards of total offense against the #1 ranked defense Alabama.  :blink: Perhaps Johnny in the AAC would have *averaged over 500-yards per game for the season, and a *90-plus QBR for the year. Pretty cray-cray just to imagine.
 
Perhaps WingerDinger has a point.
 

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It's a team game, A&M is overall way more loaded than SMU or any team in that conference. You can't judge how good a quarterback is by stats when he relies on other people for them.

Quote:Bortles is Kevin Kolb 2.0.

 

Please elaborate....

I just can't make up my mind about Bortles. I think he can be pretty good, but i'm just not sure. He really didn't play well against Baylor, his receivers caught screen or short passes and broke a few tackles.  

Quote:I just can't make up my mind about Bortles. I think he can be pretty good, but i'm just not sure. He really didn't play well against Baylor, his receivers caught screen or short passes and broke a few tackles.

I thought he played pretty good in bowl game. The bowl game is only time I've seen Bortles play. Some of his YouTube highlights were mediocre.

Put Bridgewater on Manziel's team and they go undefeated. The two teams that beat Manziel had the talent to keep him in the pocket....talent he will face every game as a pro.