DE is one of the top two biggest needs for the Jaguars. The other being QB. Jordan was selected at #3 last year, & the Jags pick at 3 this year. Obviously you don't give up that pick with this much talent coming out. Given potential, age and talent, I'd say the rd 2 pick. Maybe throw in a late rounder as well to sweeten the pot.
Scenario 1- still draft Clowney and have potentially one of the best DE tandems ever. Take a QB in the third (Murray, McCarren or Mettenburger) if available.
Scenario 2- take the best available QB. I still say Bridgewater, but Manziel or Bortles would be nice too.
Scenario 3- take the best available player. Watkins, Robinson, Mathews or Mack and continue the building process.
I wouldn't say "one of the best DE tandems ever", but I'd say it'd be one of the most promising young pass rusher tandems in the NFL.
But that would make Andre Branch the odd man out since he can't play a traditional 4-3 DE and I doubt Jordan can either.
As for Clowney, I like Clowney as a traditional 4-3 end more than a LEO. Leave the LEO spot for a pass rusher that can't shed blocks. Clowney has the technique to do that just fine.
He was one of my main hopefuls for the jags last year, I think the Phins will want too much for him for the Jags to try for him tho.
Third-rounder. If the Dolphins really are looking to dump him, it's a sign that they believe they screwed the pooch badly in drafting him. As such, his trade value will be nowhere near what his draft stock would be if this were his year.
I guess the question would be how badly the Dolphins want to get rid of him. If they do move him, I wouldn't be shocked if it's because someone gives up a two, but I also wouldn't be shocked if the price is a four and a conditional pick next year.
Quote:I wouldn't say "one of the best DE tandems ever", but I'd say it'd be one of the most promising young pass rusher tandems in the NFL.
But that would make Andre Branch the odd man out since he can't play a traditional 4-3 DE and I doubt Jordan can either.
As for Clowney, I like Clowney as a traditional 4-3 end more than a LEO. Leave the LEO spot for a pass rusher that can't shed blocks. Clowney has the technique to do that just fine.
He wouldn't be an odd man out. He'd be what he should be IMO, a rotational pass rushing specialist. He'd help keep Jordan fresh.
I think it takes more than a second to nab Jordan but man I'd be happy if we could get him for that.
Fourt rounder. I find that him even being on the block this soon highly suspect
If we traded for Jordan, He'd be the SAM LB who played as the LEO on specific pass rushing downs. Can't waste his talent on just one thing.
Dion Jordan had a terrible year, yes he didn't play a ton but he played enough to show he wasn't very good.
Quote:Fourt rounder. I find that him even being on the block this soon highly suspect
4th at best. Miami isn't about to give up on a guy they think could be a quality pass rusher. There was a reason why they didn't use him more. You can make talent "fit" or at least give it more than one season to figure it out.
More than likely he is damaged goods and they are looking for a sucker.
Quote:Third-rounder. If the Dolphins really are looking to dump him, it's a sign that they believe they screwed the pooch badly in drafting him. As such, his trade value will be nowhere near what his draft stock would be if this were his year.
You'd think that but look at Trent Richardson.
Quote:You'd think that but look at Trent Richardson.
Yup. I could see the Eagles (Jordan's former coach) spending their first rounder to land Jordan if they had to - meaning other teams were offering 2nd rounders....
2nd without hesitation. Miami is dumb and tried to use him strictly as a pass rusher on passing downs (not many snaps at all). This isn't using his ability to the fullest. He should be playing SLB since he is extremely fluid in coverage.
Quote:You'd think that but look at Trent Richardson.
That was the most idiotic trade of the 21st century. I sincerely doubt that any other team would have given up anything close to that for Richardson.
But still, TMD is right about one thing; if anyone would give up a first-round pick for Richardson, it would be Philly.
The 2013 Draft trade between the Dolphins and Raiders is on a direct path to becoming one of the worst trades for BOTH teams involved in NFL History,
A solid case can be made that a non conditional 7th Round pick is worth more now than Dion Jordan.
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This just further proves how weak that 2013 draft class was. A lot of people, including walter football, criticized the jaguars for taking joeckel. Ultimately, he was the best player available.
Miami should have taken what Philly was offering when they had the opportunity.
He's like the Justin Blackmon of DEs
Except he can break the substance rules twice and still only get four games.
Quote:DE is one of the top two biggest needs for the Jaguars. The other being QB. Jordan was selected at #3 last year, & the Jags pick at 3 this year. Obviously you don't give up that pick with this much talent coming out. Given potential, age and talent, I'd say the rd 2 pick. Maybe throw in a late rounder as well to sweeten the pot.
Scenario 1- still draft Clowney and have potentially one of the best DE tandems ever. Take a QB in the third (Murray, McCarren or Mettenburger) if available.
Scenario 2- take the best available QB. I still say Bridgewater, but Manziel or Bortles would be nice too.
Scenario 3- take the best available player. Watkins, Robinson, Mathews or Mack and continue the building process.
Few baseball cards, a sack of marbles, [coughs.] Petey.