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Quote:Awww, come'on dude. Both kids played in the same conference/league and Johnny beat every record Cam ever put up. 

He smashed Newton's SEC total yards record by nearly 800-yards in 2-less games.

 



 

 

I mean we can argue in circles, so lets agree to disagree. But the whole point of this thread and my final post before I go to sleep, is that stats, and what you did on the field does matter. Manziel has just completed arguably the 2-best years of any QB in SEC history. He deserves much more respect than he's getting IMO. 

Cam (with a lesser team)

 

12-0

Manziel (with all american o-line and weapons all over the place)

 

21-5

And a National Championship title to boot hahahahaha

Quote:Lol, this is bringing up old memories from a few months ago. But Manziel did outplay Jameis though. Jameis had a more complete/better team. And if A&M and FSU were both undefeated last season, I honestly think Manziel might have got it again.


REally though, I'm glad Winston won and I thought it was much deserved. Honestly I do. But I also believe it was because he was the whole package, his team was undefeated, he went the championship game, he was absolutely amazing on the field every time out, etc...but if you're just a stats-junkie, MAnziel did in fact best Winston in a harder conference to boot :yes:


Johnny Manziel

· Total yards - 3924

· Passing yards - 3313

· Rushing yards - 611

· Total touchdowns - 39

· Passing touchdowns - 31

· Rushing touchdowns – 8


Jameis Winston

· Total yards - 3083

· Passing yards - 2938

· Rushing yards - 145

· Total touchdowns - 31

· Passing touchdowns - 28

· Rushing touchdowns - 3

If Jameis played in every fourth quarter, his stats would have blown Johnny's away.

Quote:Cam (with a lesser team)

12-0

Manziel (with all american o-line and weapons all over the place)

21-5

Like 21-5 is a bad record haha. Texas A&M's defense this year was probably the worst defense in the SEC

Quote:Cam (with a lesser team)

12-0

Manziel (with all american o-line and weapons all over the place)

21-5

Like 21-5 is a bad record haha. Texas A&M's defense this year was probably the worst defense in the SEC

Quote:If Jameis played in every fourth quarter, his stats would have blown Johnny's away.

And if Jameis played some real teams then his stats would probably be lower.

Quote:If Jameis played in every fourth quarter, his stats would have blown Johnny's away.

 

I'm a stat junkie...becareful asking me about stats 

Anyways, this is all just friendly banter anyways between opposing college teams. I like Winston a lot. But just for the record, and here comes my 'stat-junkie' again,

 

Quarters Played by Johnny "Football" Manziel:

<p style="margin-left:47.25pt;">·  Rice - 2

<p style="margin-left:47.25pt;">·  Sam Houston - 2.6

<p style="margin-left:47.25pt;">·  Alabama - 4

<p style="margin-left:47.25pt;">·  SMU - 2.2

<p style="margin-left:47.25pt;">·  Arkansas - 4

<p style="margin-left:47.25pt;">·  Ole Miss - 4

<p style="margin-left:47.25pt;">·  Auburn - 4

<p style="margin-left:47.25pt;">·  Vanderbilt - 2.6

<p style="margin-left:47.25pt;">·  UTEP - 2.5

<p style="margin-left:47.25pt;">·  Mississippi State - 4

                   Total - 31.9

Quarters Played by "Famous" Jameis Winston:

<p style="margin-left:47.25pt;">·  Pittsburgh - 3.4

<p style="margin-left:47.25pt;">·  Nevada - 2.7

<p style="margin-left:47.25pt;">·  Bethune-Cookman - 2.1

<p style="margin-left:47.25pt;">·  Boston College - 4

<p style="margin-left:47.25pt;">·  Maryland - 3

<p style="margin-left:47.25pt;">·  Clemson - 4

<p style="margin-left:47.25pt;">·  NC State - 2.1

<p style="margin-left:47.25pt;">·  Miami - 4

<p style="margin-left:47.25pt;">·  Wake Forest - 2.2

<p style="margin-left:47.25pt;">·  Syracuse - 2

                    Total - 29.5

 

 

Not really that different IMO.

Quote:I'm a stat junkie...becareful asking me about stats

Anyways, this is all just friendly banter anyways between opposing college teams. I like Winston a lot. But just for the record, and here comes my 'stat-junkie' again,

Quarters Played by Johnny "Football" Manziel:

<p class="bbc_indent" style="margin-left:40px;">175]· Rice - 2

<p class="bbc_indent" style="margin-left:40px;">175]· Sam Houston - 2.6

<p class="bbc_indent" style="margin-left:40px;">175]· Alabama - 4

<p class="bbc_indent" style="margin-left:40px;">175]· SMU - 2.2

<p class="bbc_indent" style="margin-left:40px;">175]· Arkansas - 4

<p class="bbc_indent" style="margin-left:40px;">175]· Ole Miss - 4

<p class="bbc_indent" style="margin-left:40px;">175]· Auburn - 4

<p class="bbc_indent" style="margin-left:40px;">175]· Vanderbilt - 2.6

<p class="bbc_indent" style="margin-left:40px;">175]· UTEP - 2.5

<p class="bbc_indent" style="margin-left:40px;">175]· Mississippi State - 4

Total - 31.9
Quarters Played by "Famous" Jameis Winston:
<p class="bbc_indent" style="margin-left:40px;">175]· Pittsburgh - 3.4

<p class="bbc_indent" style="margin-left:40px;">175]· Nevada - 2.7

<p class="bbc_indent" style="margin-left:40px;">175]· Bethune-Cookman - 2.1

<p class="bbc_indent" style="margin-left:40px;">175]· Boston College - 4

<p class="bbc_indent" style="margin-left:40px;">175]· Maryland - 3

<p class="bbc_indent" style="margin-left:40px;">175]· Clemson - 4

<p class="bbc_indent" style="margin-left:40px;">175]· NC State - 2.1

<p class="bbc_indent" style="margin-left:40px;">175]· Miami - 4

<p class="bbc_indent" style="margin-left:40px;">175]· Wake Forest - 2.2

<p class="bbc_indent" style="margin-left:40px;">175]· Syracuse - 2

Total - 29.5



Not really that different IMO.

Got em.


I like Jameis also tho.. Also a guy with crazy potential

Quote:If Jameis played in every fourth quarter, his stats would have blown Johnny's away.

Something else that we agree on!!!!

Quote:Like 21-5 is a bad record haha. Texas A&M's defense this year was probably the worst defense in the SEC

Not saying much considering how underwhelming those SEC defenses are

 

The minute the spread is introduce they get bull rushed

 

SEC conferences was never known for good offenses (strange) lol

Quote:Something else that we agree on!!!!

did you actually read my last post about their playing time? It was basically identical.

Quote:And if Jameis played some real teams then his stats would probably be lower.

Florida State would wreck SEC teams just as bad, their defenses have been garbage the last couple years

Quote:did you actually read my last post about their playing time? It was basically identical.

Since your such a stat junky you would also see the pass:run ratio differences too

Quote:Florida State would wreck SEC teams just as bad, their defenses have been garbage the last couple years

No. If FSU went to say South Carolina this year.. They wouldn't "wreck" them and in fact they would probably lose.

Quote:And if Jameis played some real teams then his stats would probably be lower.

Is it his fault everyone in the ACC besides Clemson sucks?

Quote:No. If FSU went to say South Carolina this year.. They wouldn't "wreck" them and in fact they would probably lose.

FSU would have won the SEC this year.

Quote:Is it his fault everyone in the ACC besides Clemson sucks?

No it's not and Clemson sucks dude FSU would beat them 99/100.

Quote:FSU would have won the SEC this year.

It would have been a tight race that's for sure.

Quote:No. If FSU went to say South Carolina this year.. They wouldn't "wreck" them and in fact they would probably lose.

I don't think you understand how talented FSU actually is

 

They would beat SC by a 2-3 touchdowns just because of the wear they can put on a team over the course of 48 mins

Quote:Since your such a stat junky you would also see the pass:run ratio differences too

errrrmmmm...I missed your point here. Johnny had more passing yards per game, more passing yards overall on the year, and a higher completion percentage than Winston did?...what am I missing. All Manziel's rushing yards were just the cherry on top this past season.