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Rough game for him along with Missouri. He played down his swollen right thumb but a Texas reporter could see it plain. Just mentioning this because I watched the game and knew he had smashed it at the end of the Miss. St. game. You'll never hear a mention of it from Johnny because he's not the type to make excuses.

I'm trying to think of a third game to write. I guess Duke, that was his bowl.

Great analysis, I actually agree on much of it as well. 

 

However as long as we have guys like Cam Newton, Kaep, Wilson, Luck who are all mobile, bigger, and much stronger arms

 

Manziel's ceiling is nothing more than top 10, unless he really takes to the mental side of the game.

Thank you, wiseman, I appreciate it.

 

As to your comments, I would say a top-10 ceiling without even considering the mental game is excellent upside.

Quote:Thank you, wiseman, I appreciate it.

 

As to your comments, I would say a top-10 ceiling without even considering the mental game is excellent upside.

No probs 

 

Reminds me of Steve Young, not as fast straight line of course but a hair quicker and and has similar accuracy.

Quote:No probs


Reminds me of Steve Young, not as fast straight line of course but a hair quicker and and has similar accuracy.

Wasn't around to watch him haha I couldn't say.

Quote:Great analysis, I actually agree on much of it as well.


However as long as we have guys like Cam Newton, Kaep, Wilson, Luck who are all mobile, bigger, and much stronger arms


Manziel's ceiling is nothing more than top 10, unless he really takes to the mental side of the game.

The Jags haven't had a top 10 QB since Brunell during the mid to late 90's. I'd take top 10 QB in a heartbeat.

Quote:The Jags haven't had a top 10 QB since Brunell during the mid to late 90's. I'd take top 10 QB in a heartbeat.

Thats his ceiling in the right system.

 

Manziel should be surrounded by strong running game that allows him to bootleg into space and make quick decisions.

 

Having him drop straight back into the pocket won't be a good idea for the first couple of years.

 

He does get antsy in a compact pocket, a coach would be best to try and limit that.

 

If its him or Bridgewater on the board, Bridgewater without a seconds notice. 

 

Would rather have Manziel than Bortles though

I think number two QB in the class is either Manziel or Carr. Carr is safer and is a better face of your franchise type guy, but you just can't argue with how Manziel changes the game.


Do not want Bortles. I don't have QB fear but the last time we took a QB cause of height weight and arm strength, we took Blaine Gabbert. Bortles is much better than Gabbert but he doesn't have anything other than size to set him apart.

Quote:Wasn't around to watch him haha I couldn't say.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKd4--3iuNM

 

A little taste of #8

Quote:I think number two QB in the class is either Manziel or Carr. Carr is safer and is a better face of your franchise type guy, but you just can't argue with how Manziel changes the game.


Do not want Bortles. I don't have QB fear but the last time we took a QB cause of height weight and arm strength, we took Blaine Gabbert. Bortles is much better than Gabbert but he doesn't have anything other than size to set him apart.

 

That USC gamed soured me alot on Carr

 

Manziel definitely changes the game, but I don't want him trying too hard.

 

Would like for him to stick to the pocket more, NFL is a different beast

Quote:I think number two QB in the class is either Manziel or Carr. Carr is safer and is a better face of your franchise type guy, but you just can't argue with how Manziel changes the game.


Do not want Bortles. I don't have QB fear but the last time we took a QB cause of height weight and arm strength, we took Blaine Gabbert. Bortles is much better than Gabbert but he doesn't have anything other than size to set him apart.

The problem with Gabbert was that he was thrown into the fire way too early. If he was given the opportunity to learn for a while on the bench like most expected him to do he may have very well panned out.


If you take Bortles you need to understand that he needs time to develop. Start him too early and you may ruin him.

Quote:The problem with Gabbert was that he was thrown into the fire way too early. If he was given the opportunity to learn for a while on the bench like most expected him to do he may have very well panned out.


If you take Bortles you need to understand that he needs time to develop. Start him too early and you may ruin him.

I don't think pocket presence can be taught, you either have the balls to stand tall and make throws under fire or you don't...

 

Gabbert could have sat for half a decade, he would have still been garbage

 

You need a sports psychologist to deal with lack of pocket presence

Quote:That USC gamed soured me alot on Carr


Manziel definitely changes the game, but I don't want him trying too hard.


Would like for him to stick to the pocket more, NFL is a different beast

I have an inkling that Carr may very well be the QB the Jags target either in the 2nd or late in the 1st with a trade up. Hearing Gus talk about him and during senior bowl week then watching Carr in the games and in interviews after you can tell he's a fierce competitor....and its left a good impression on Gus and his "getting better everyday, compete everyday" philosophy.

Well, I know now who I'm going to compare Manziel to... haha

 

Manziel is a shorter, quicker Steve Young.

Quote:I have an inkling that Carr may very well be the QB the Jags target either in the 2nd or late in the 1st with a trade up. Hearing Gus talk about him and during senior bowl week then watching Carr in the games and in interviews after you can tell he's a fierce competitor....and its left a good impression on Gus and his "getting better everyday, compete everyday" philosophy.

I understand all that but if you don't have pocket poise in the NFL, it doesn't matter if you breath earth and fire. You won't go very far.

 

Against USC, I saw a guy in Carr who got a couple licks and got SCARED, nope nope nope

 

Its Gabbert all over again

Quote:I don't think pocket presence can be taught, you either have the balls to stand tall and make throws under fire or you don't...


Gabbert could have sat for half a decade, he would have still been garbage


You need a sports psychologist to deal with lack of pocket presence

Agree to an extent. I don't think Bortles pocket presence is on the same lowly scale as Gabbert's though. Give him a year on the bench and a full offseason and he's going to be a very good QB.

Quote:Well, I know now who I'm going to compare Manziel to... haha

 

Manziel is a shorter, quicker Steve Young.

The absolute closest one I could think of, Manziel should really try and model his game after him.

 

Steve Young was FAST, ran a 4.45 at his combine, at the Niners camp he reportedly ran a 4.35 lol, that I dont believe

I think Bortles has fine pocket presence. He just doesn't have any exceptional traits aside from his size. IMO he's benefitting off a league that sees the success of Luck, Newton, and Kap, and starts associating the things that make those guys good (athleticism, arm talent, strength) with good size. While they correlate, one doesn't lead to the other. Bortles is the example of this. He has above average accuracy, arm strength, athleticism, etc. He should be a solid starter. But not a franchise guy, IMO. Game manager territory.