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Quote:Did you really just arrive to that conclusion???? 

 

Lulz

 

Dang kid, did you finish your homework?

 

Coming from a guy fresh out of school himself...

I thought Manziel came across very well in the press conference. Personally he excites me. It is a big risk, we know this, but the upside is just so large.


The problem we have at this time, is we have so many holes that need filling, I don't feel we're in a position to risk such a high pick. If I were the Texans, I personally would risk it. They only really need a QB. They could take Manziel and Fales and see what happens.


For us, I don't think Watkins should be a consideration. Our WR core is one of the strongest parts of the organisation at the moment. Especially if Blackmon returns (which I think he will). For me it's Clowney or Bridgewater. I believe one of the 2 will be there at 3

Quote:Manziel is an intriguing prospect. He comes off as having a bit of an attitude about him. I consider his draft position to be a bit hard to predict. Does he have Phillip Rivers attitude? Doug Flutie attitude? Kerry Collins attitude? Or an attitude unlike any other we have seen? I found it interesting that Brett Favre likened Manziel to a young Brett Favre a few days back. You could see that comparison, he is different from what most would consider prototypical, as was Favre.

 

I expect Manziel will make it beyond the top twenty picks in the first round, at which point some team will work a deal to move up from the early to middle of the second to select him somewhere in the twenties of the first. If he does make it to the second round, I feel the Texans may have a hard time passing on him.

 

I'm not sure he won't go higher.  I forget who... Lande or another analyst, mentioned earlier that the folks he spoke with didn't believe there were any franchise caliber QBs in this draft, and the GMs he talked to felt Manziel was the closest to one.

 

I think what intrigues folks about Manziel is the "it" factor, or what they feel his ceiling may be.  With him, it's about risk/reward, and I get the feeling folks are starting to believe there's the potential of possibly a great reward in the future with him.  So, I'm not sure he'd drop out of the top 10 even if I'm not sure he's worth that.  The top QBs in this draft will probably be overdrafted as they typically are.

Thomas Dimitroff was on there as well and he said something along the lines of being in bed with another team(Caldwell) allows him the opportunity to move up and get his guy.

 

Get ready for Manziel or Mack

Quote:Pollians son Chris is second up to Caldwell in our scouting department... This probably means the FO thinks the same! SCORE, Johnny Manziel sounds like a top 5 QB, Teddy sounds like a guy who is good but not great (Alex smith, Matt Stafford, Matt Ice)

 

What in the world leads you to this conclusion?  I'd like to see an explanation...

 

Nothing about Manziel sounds like a top 5 QB. He's a giant crapshoot to see if his abilities that made him famous in college can transfer to the NFL level against smarter, bigger, faster, stronger NFL players.

 

I hope Johnny gets away from the Johnny Football image and can have a long successful career...somewhere else.  I don't want that risk and 3 (or anywhere near there) and I don't think picking him is smart drafting.

 

If Caldwell by chance does pick him at the top of the draft I'll support the kid 100% and I'll be intrigued as a fan to see if he can make his play work at this level.  Wherever he goes it will be interesting to watch and see.

Quote:What in the world leads you to this conclusion?  I'd like to see an explanation...

 

Nothing about Manziel sounds like a top 5 QB. He's a giant crapshoot to see if his abilities that made him famous in college can transfer to the NFL level against smarter, bigger, faster, stronger NFL players.

 

I hope Johnny gets away from the Johnny Football image and can have a long successful career...somewhere else.  I don't want that risk and 3 (or anywhere near there) and I don't think picking him is smart drafting.

 

If Caldwell by chance does pick him at the top of the draft I'll support the kid 100% and I'll be intrigued as a fan to see if he can make his play work a

His best ability in college was his pocket passing, I don't really care about his improvisation or anything. Johnny is the best pocket passer in the class hands down! He has the attitude of a top 5 QB, he has the smarts of a top 5 QB, he has the "it" factor of a top 5 QB. What does teddy have that is elite... Nothing. You just think that a heisman winner that can run=Tebow or a project, Teddy at the next level is more of a project than johnny because of how hard it will be for teddy to adjust to an offense that goes down the field. You can't make a living in today's NFL with dinks and dunks, you have to stretch the field, if you don't than they will bring in there safeties making the passing game and the running game harder, I honestly feel bad for Bridgewater because he is a nice kid and a great college QB, just not an NFL prospect in my opinion.

Quote:His best ability in college was his pocket passing, [BLEEP] about his improvisation or anything, Johnny is the best pocket passer in the class hands down! He has the attitude of a top 5 QB, he has the smarts of a top 5 QB, he has the "it" factor of a top 5 QB. What does teddy have that is elite... Nothing. You just think that a heisman winner that can run=Tebow or a project, Teddy at the next level is more of a project than johnny because of how hard it will be for teddy to adjust to an offense that goes down the field. You can't make a living in today's NFL with dinks and dunks, you have to stretch the field, if you don't than they will bring in there safeties making the passing game and the running game harder, I honestly feel bad for Bridgewater because he is a nice kid and a great college QB, just not an NFL prospect in my opinion.

 

You can have your opinion...I'm not going to argue with you after reading your first half a sentence.  I stopped at the comma.  To each his own.

My big board. With NFL comparisons.

1. Johnny Manziel-Fran Tarkenton

2. JD Clowney-Reggie White

3. Sammy Watkins-Cordarelle Paterson

4. Kahil Mack-Aldon Smith

5. Blake Bortles-Big Ben

6. Anthony Barr-Robert Mathis

7. Greg Robinson-Daune Robinson

8. Jake Matthews-Anthony Davis

9. Radhe Hageman- JJ Watt

10. AJ McCarron-.... Tom... Brady... There I said it!

 

Haters gonna hate.

Quote:You can have your opinion...I'm not going to argue with you after reading your first half a sentence.  I stopped at the comma.  To each his own.

 

You stopped at a comma that was supposed to be a period if it was the first one.

 

I did not read the whole post either, but have a question for Nick Foles about the first nine words.

As Jaguar fans, I think we can all agree Bill Polian was one of the worst gms we've ever seen and we were very lucky to have with the colts. With that being said, anything that comes out of this clowns mouth we should never ever do. Bridgewater > Manziel

Above everything, he'll dominate in Madden

Quote:You stopped at a comma that was supposed to be a period if it was the first one.

 

I did not read the whole post either, but have a question for Nick Foles about the first nine words.

Andrea, what is your question?

Quote:As Jaguar fans, I think we can all agree Bill Polian was one of the worst gms we've ever seen and we were very lucky to have with the colts. With that being said, anything that comes out of this clowns mouth we should never ever do. Bridgewater > Manziel

 

One of the worst general managers? He was the most hated general manager for Jaguars fans, but you can't say he was bad after looking at how much talent the Colts had.

Quote:Andrea, what is your question?

 

Why do you think Johnny Manziel is the best pocket passer, despite the obvious fact he is more comfortable throwing outside the pocket?

Quote:Why do you think Johnny Manziel is the best pocket passer, despite the obvious fact he is more comfortable throwing outside the pocket?

Please don't feed this kid.

 

He is trolling at this point

Quote:I thought Manziel came across very well in the press conference. Personally he excites me. It is a big risk, we know this, but the upside is just so large.


The problem we have at this time, is we have so many holes that need filling, I don't feel we're in a position to risk such a high pick. If I were the Texans, I personally would risk it. They only really need a QB. They could take Manziel and Fales and see what happens.


For us, I don't think Watkins should be a consideration. Our WR core is one of the strongest parts of the organisation at the moment. Especially if Blackmon returns (which I think he will). For me it's Clowney or Bridgewater. I believe one of the 2 will be there at 3

Agreed, Manziel or Clowney for me.

Quote:Please don't feed this kid.

 

He is trolling at this point

 

So I should ignore him?

Quote:So I should ignore him?

I'm not trolling and he doesn't feel more comfortable outside the pocket, he said so himself. I have seen him make incredible deep throws in the pocket I don't believe Bridgewater is capable of, please don't ignore me, Wiseman is the one trolling.

BTW, did TylerGabbert  get banned?

Quote:I'm not trolling and he doesn't feel more comfortable outside the pocket, he said so himself. I have seen him make incredible deep throws in the pocket I don't believe Bridgewater is capable of, please don't ignore me, Wiseman is the one trolling.

 

The idea he is not comfortable in the pocket comes from video evidence. Pictures speak louder than words, especially motion pictures. Remember this is the sane guy who said he will measure exactly six feet and was a quarter inch short of that. His private workout on March 27 will tell us how comfortable he is in the pocket if we don't know yet.