Quote:I agree with you about the move, but disagree with your reasoning. I think Tom's strong point is talent assessment. I'd love to have him back as just the GM. Think about it this way, his only real first round miss was Soward. Otherwise, we had Boselli, Hardy, Taylor, Darius, Bryant, Stroud and Henderson. And Renaldo Wynn couldn't be really labeled a bust. Since then, how has our first round gone? Who do we have left from it? Lewis, Alualu, Gabbert and Blackmon. Rather telling, no?
Yes, but talent acquisition extends beyond the first round as well, and Coughlin struggled to find contributors in rounds two and three more often than not. Shack, for all the hate he gets, actually had some success in the second round, and I recall reading that Gene had a lot of say in those post-round one picks.I really think that with Coughlin keeping Gene in check (as he would have--pretty sure Coughlin hired Gene in the first place), we'd have had a lot more drafts like 2009, where each of the first five picks became a starter, and a lot fewer like 2008 and 2010, the latter being one average run-stopping lineman away from a total wash, and the latter a disaster from the second it was announced.
Also worth noting that a lot of Coughlin's success in free agency stemmed from the expansion rules that basically gave the Jaguars and Panthers the ability to throw money around like drunken sailors at a Hong Kong strip joint.
Quote:We picked Alualu over Earl Thomas when we had the intention of dropping our safety.
When everyone had us mocked to pick Earl Thomas.
Hurts to think about.
<i>Geeeeeeeeene!</i>
Quote:Just one move? That's an easy choice. Undo the decision to name Gene Smith General Manager of the franchise.
That lead to four years of bad decisions.
BINGO!!
If Gene Smith was never named GM, all the other problems would never of have happened.
Harvey pick. That was one of the most lopsided trade deals since Hershel. We gave up two years of value easy. Shack was a bad first round select guy but definitely did better in the later rounds.
One move isn't worthy...
Two Moves comes to mind w/respect to production after the Jaguars. First, Coach Coughlin...Enough Said... Second as of rescent. POT ROAST...If we retained him we wouldn‘t be searching for a DT to mirror Marks...
NH3...
Quote:Trading for gabbert and the kings ransom we traded for "the karate kid" Harvey
Harvey was #3 for me...
NH3...
Quote:Harvey pick. That was one of the most lopsided trade deals since Hershel. We gave up two years of value easy. Shack was a bad first round select guy but definitely did better in the later rounds.
The Harvey trade wasn't even close to the Herschel Walker trade. Two thirds and a fourth to move into the Top 10 from the mid 20's? The choice was bad. But the trade wasn't even close to that lopsided. Jags select Jerod Mayo right there and nobody ever talks about the trade again.
Quote:The Harvey trade wasn't even close to the Herschel Walker trade. Two thirds and a fourth to move into the Top 10 from the mid 20's? The choice was bad. But the trade wasn't even close to that lopsided. Jags select Jerod Mayo right there and nobody ever talks about the trade again.
The player we picked sucked, however the value we got in the trade was actually really good.
Love the Gene Smith remarks. I have to admit though, that I would have rather been wrong about every thing that I posted over the past 4 years if that would have benefited the Jags.
Quote:Love the Gene Smith remarks. I have to admit though, that I would have rather been wrong about every thing that I posted over the past 4 years if that would have benefited the Jags.
Ha-ha. I didn't turn on Gene until 2012, but I agree. (and I think I remember trying to defend him to you in 2011 *facepalm*) I tried to be patient and hoped against hope - but he just made too many bad moves.
Welp..... at least we have the tiny silver lining of Todman and Pasztor to thank him for. :confused:
Lets face it most of Genes problem was injuries both Kampman and Sessions played well until their careers ended here. Even with that, if Gabbert worked out he'd still be here.
I can't go with Harvey, because we needed a DE and he was the last of the prospects that was rated high so we did what we had to do. Same for Gabbert.
I could say Jerry Porter, but that didnt set us back very long. Same could be said for hiring Mularkey.
Guess I gotta go with Tyson not for his play per se but because we needed a safety at that point and both Earl Thomas and Eric Berry were in that draft class. Now i cant assume they would have become what they became, but... yeah.
Quote:Lets face it most of Genes problem was injuries both Kampman and Sessions played well until their careers ended here. add L. Robinson to that list - And Alualu really - even if Gene reached on him
I could say Jerry Porter, but that didnt set us back very long. But lots of $$$$$ - Kirk Morrison also cost a 5th rounder and a year's wasted, overpaid salary
Quote:Gene Smith. That would undo both Gabbert and Alualu. 2 for 1.
Harris, would undo Leftwich, Harvey, Matt Jones, and Reggie Williams.
It is close between the picks of RJ Soward and Byron Leftwich.
Leftwich for all the reasons pointed out by FBT. In the long run though I went with Soward not because of how awful he was but because of the effect it had on Weaver. After seeing the disaster that he turned out to be, Weaver became adamant that all players had to be choir boys. That IMO lead to a lot of the head scratching moves by both Harris and Smith.
Quote:I also have to go with drafting Lefty. Things simply snowballed from there.
As far as the article, no surprise that good ol' Alfie hasn't gotten over Garrard. I swear Garrard must have stolen Alfie's girlfriend of something. To call that the worst move of the history of the Jags is beyond slanted. It's hardly top 5 material.
That's the only thing Alfie could write. Considering he spent 10 years and 85,000 posts supporting every Shack and Gene move, he'd be admitting he was wrong had he stated anything else.
Leftwich wouldn't have stung so bad if we hadn't stopped bringing in QBs. We didn't draft a single QB for nearly TEN years, when we finally went after Gabbert.
We better not have that same "settle for" mentality when we draft a QB this year, or it may be a long, long time (and another GM and coach) before it's fixed.
Quote:Leftwich wouldn't have stung so bad if we hadn't stopped bringing in QBs. We didn't draft a single QB for nearly TEN years, when we finally went after Gabbert.
We better not have that same "settle for" mentality when we draft a QB this year, or it may be a long, long time (and another GM and coach) before it's fixed.
The concern is that most of the QBs in the draft this year might be a 'settle' for type guy. If that's the case, we'll be better off fixing other areas and hope that's enough for now. We shouldn't draft a QB expecting him to be the savior. If we land one of the 2nd tier guys, I would suspect we'll still be in the hunt for a true franchise QB next year.
2005 - Drafting Matt Jones instead of AARON RODGERS!
My Hershel comment was fan hyperbole. For our organization it was our worst lose of draft value because we sacrificed most of our draft to take a flyer on a pass rusher. And then we compounded it with Quentin Grooves. This was another swing for the fence approach that caused the franchise to turn around and go with the "singles" philosophy of the Gene Smith era.
I think 2008 draft sunk Shack. Overall he wasn't the worst GM. He just didn't nail down first round picks.
Quote:Leftwich wouldn't have stung so bad if we hadn't stopped bringing in QBs. We didn't draft a single QB for nearly TEN years, when we finally went after Gabbert.
We better not have that same "settle for" mentality when we draft a QB this year, or it may be a long, long time (and another GM and coach) before it's fixed.
This is a very good point. Even with the bad draft of Byron, we were pretty stout the year he was cut and we moved to DG. If the draft picks,FA picks, and signings (Garrard's contract specifically) after Byron were better, the bust of Byron wouldn't have really mattered-- or atleast hurt as much.
There are so many moves post Byron Leftwich that caused our current situation that it's hard to pick just one... But if forced to choose, I would say signing Garrard right after his one break out year... That hamstrung us in terms of what type of direction in the draft and free agency we going after that... It really seemed that everything small decision began to compound upon one another after the Franchise decided that DG was going to be the long term answer. And as it became clear that DG wasn't what we say that one magical year, the front office was VERY SLOW to right the ship.
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Garrard could have been a good QB for the Jaguars. Had JDR and Harris given him a chance to develop instead of jumping the gun for Leftwich, he may have gone onto to build more confidence as a QB in the NFL. He reminded me a lot of Steve McNair and Donovan McNabb. And I'll never forget that game against the clots when he came in for a bit to relieve Brunell. He scrambled for a huge gain on one play, the defender grabbed his jersey, but he was so strong that he broke away from the guy and the defender was left with a piece of his jersey in his hand.