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http://bleacherreport.com/articles/19530...-nfl-draft



I guess this explains why ketchman was stuck on BAP- it was a product of the pre-FA era.

Where does it say BAP is gone?

6th paragraph. Pretty common sensical really.

So BAP is basically a myth at this point in time 

 

Only time it matters is if you are solid at every position 

It only makes sense... you get the BAP at a position of need, taking into account how deep the current draft class is at a certain position etc.

The article is about how a particular team builds their draft boards, but BAP doesn't come into effect until you're on the clock.

Quote:The article is about how a particular team builds their draft boards, but BAP doesn't come into effect until you're on the clock.

It actually has nothing to do with BAP at all, as no one employs it and hasn't for well over a decade.


The article does an awesome job at pointing out that guys are completely factored out based upon the need of the team, and its scheme and philosophy. This further illustrates that BAP is barely a recognizable theory, much less something teams employ.

BAP is a ridiculous draft strategy. 

BAP is the only way your team will ever reach competitive strength.

 

It keeps each unit on the roster full. It provide your coaching staff the most talented players possible.

 

BAP isn't insane, only the outrageous scenarios contrived to counter-argue BAP are.

 

Needs drafting doesn't work. Look at us.

 

Taking a less talented player to fill a need over a more talented football player at another position is awful.

I don't think it matters how you draft if you can evaluate talent.

 

Everyone cries foul over the Matt Jones pick (How could you take a receiver that high???) and compares him to who we DIDN'T draft (wasn't it Rodgers that year?), but if he had hit his ceiling and become a dominant, top-5 WR for ten years, nobody would've cared.  There was NO WAY he was BAP; our FO just sucked as evaluators.

 

If Alualu was a force in the middle and was destroying opposing OLs, Smith would probably still have a job here, regardless of JPP's success in NY.

 

If Gabbert was throwing for 3500+ yards and 30+ TDs, who cares who we DIDN'T draft?

 

That's the thing here with BAP, and forgive me, but everyone is up in arms about Clowney vs. Bridgewater.  If our team has that choice, BAP would be Clowney without a doubt.  However, if Teddy becomes a HOF QB, nobody is going to care that we missed the most dominant DE of a generation. 

 

It's about evaluating talent.  Obviously you don't take a CB with a 74 grade on your board over an OG with a 94 because you don't need an OG.  But if you have two players that are graded similarly (I'd say withing 7-8 points) and one is at a position of need, you take the need.  The issue comes down to the question of whether you've evaluated properly.

Quote:BAP is the only way your team will ever reach competitive strength.

 

It keeps each unit on the roster full. It provide your coaching staff the most talented players possible.

 

BAP isn't insane, only the outrageous scenarios contrived to counter-argue BAP are.

 

Needs drafting doesn't work. Look at us.

 

Taking a less talented player to fill a need over a more talented football player at another position is awful.

 

You have a lot of explaining to do, Mr. Idiot. We had this argument before so you know why people say pick need not BAP unless you suffer dementia.

Quote:You have a lot of explaining to do, Mr. Idiot. We had this argument before so you know why people say pick need not BAP unless you suffer dementia.

Lol, whoa, easy there cupcake

Quote:You have a lot of explaining to do, Mr. Idiot. We had this argument before so you know why people say pick need not BAP unless you suffer dementia.

 

We got a rebel over here.

Quote:We got a rebel over here.

 

LOL Not sure what that means, but it is funny.

 

The truth that Jungle Cat seems to not understand about BAP vs. need is what Jaguar Kick said: Our mistake was poor talent evaluation, not our draft strategy.

Quote:So BAP is basically a myth at this point in time 

 

Only time it matters is if you are solid at every position

It never existed. Teams always prioritized their needs.

Quote:It never existed. Teams always prioritized their needs.

That's impossible! Wiseman said you must be a BAP drafting team for success yet no one does it??? How does anyone have success in this league????

Every year this discussion occurs right around this time.  It's like an egg timer; you can set your watch by it.

 

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Quote:That's impossible! Wiseman said you must be a BAP drafting team for success yet no one does it? How does anyone have success in this league?

 

What Wiseman says does not mean anything. He is not a scout, general manager, or director of player personnel.

 

Plain and simple, there is no reason to think there was ever such a thing as a BAP in a league where no two teams have the same draft board.

I don't think either strategy is particularly "real." It's all about how a team evaluates talent and how they manage their draft position. You can label it what you want.

Quote:I don't think it matters how you draft if you can evaluate talent.

 

Everyone cries foul over the Matt Jones pick (How could you take a receiver that high???) and compares him to who we DIDN'T draft (wasn't it Rodgers that year?), but if he had hit his ceiling and become a dominant, top-5 WR for ten years, nobody would've cared.  There was NO WAY he was BAP; our FO just sucked as evaluators.

 

If Alualu was a force in the middle and was destroying opposing OLs, Smith would probably still have a job here, regardless of JPP's success in NY.

 

If Gabbert was throwing for 3500+ yards and 30+ TDs, who cares who we DIDN'T draft?

 

That's the thing here with BAP, and forgive me, but everyone is up in arms about Clowney vs. Bridgewater.  If our team has that choice, BAP would be Clowney without a doubt.  However, if Teddy becomes a HOF QB, nobody is going to care that we missed the most dominant DE of a generation. 

 

It's about evaluating talent.  Obviously you don't take a CB with a 74 grade on your board over an OG with a 94 because you don't need an OG.  But if you have two players that are graded similarly (I'd say withing 7-8 points) and one is at a position of need, you take the need.  The issue comes down to the question of whether you've evaluated properly.

I'm confused here. None of those picks were bap. Matt Jones was a qb for gods sake and both gabbert and alualu were virtually unheard of.