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Quote:Yeah, but they didn't ask to be corrected.

 

That should not matter.

 

Anyway, I completely agree with the OP we need to pick a quarterback at #3 because of the talent drop after Bridgewater, Manziel, and Bortles.

The Jags did that 3 years ago with a high pick. Maybe, just maybe the simple act of using a really high pick on a QB doesn't equate to instant success.

Quote:Folks aren't against picking a QB.

 

Some folks like myself are against picking one at #3 because they don't think any QB in the draft is worth picking that high.

 

Not everyone agrees.  Simple as that.

This. A lot of the people I see advocating taking a QB no matter what rarely sound like they have a deep understanding of this draft and don't realize even if we took a QB with the third pick, Caldwell is not going to throw them out to the wolves anyway.

Quote:This. A lot of the people I see advocating taking a QB no matter what rarely sound like they have a deep understanding of this draft and don't realize even if we took a QB with the third pick, Caldwell is not going to throw them out to the wolves anyway.

 

I perfectly understand everybody on this board thinks the draft has only three "franchise" quarterbacks with the potential to be elite. So far nobody has named a single quarterback who is valued at 39 overall and does not have a torn ACL.

Quote:I perfectly understand everybody on this board thinks the draft has only three "franchise" quarterbacks with the potential to be elite. So far nobody has named a single quarterback who is valued at 39 overall and does not have a torn ACL.

 

I think this would be a trick question if it was a question .

Quote:If we avoid the minefield at the top and get a value pick like Glennon from last year, it will buy us time until we bring in a franchise guy. The key is not stop looking, even after you take one.

Buy some time... that is hard to hear after 2-14, 4-12 season and not being relevant whatsoever since 2007.

Quote:The Jags did that 3 years ago with a high pick. Maybe, just maybe the simple act of using a really high pick on a QB doesn't equate to instant success.

Of course not. Finding the right guy does. And this franchise has never drafted the right guy since we came into the league. That is crazy to think about... we have been in existence for 19 years and have never drafted a franchise QB.

Quote:The Jags did that 3 years ago with a high pick. Maybe, just maybe the simple act of using a really high pick on a QB doesn't equate to instant success.

And maybe, just maybe, because it didn't work out the last time doesn't equate to it never working out.

Quote:I think this would be a trick question if it was a question .

 

It is not a question.

I am against it because we haven't seen them go through the draft process yet. A year ago Geno Smith was looking to potentially go #1 overall and he fell into the second day. The first QB taken was no where in sight at this point last year. Right now my opinion of the QB's in the class are at the same level as Geno was last year.Bridgewater is too small, Manziel is too much of  wild-card, and Bortles is somewhat unknown.

 

Also, no one in this draft compares to Clowney at the moment, so it's moreso about drafting elite talent.

Quote:And maybe, just maybe, because it didn't work out the last time doesn't equate to it never working out.

 

Obviously this is true, but what's so different with this class than 2011 to say it will work out this time?

Quote:Of course not. Finding the right guy does. And this franchise has never drafted the right guy since we came into the league. That is crazy to think about: we have been in existence for 19 years and have never drafted a franchise QB.

 

That is sort of misleading. The face of the franchise during the JDR era was Fred Taylor, then MJD. No matter who we picked to be our "franchise quarterback" would not be "the face of the franchise."

Quote:Obviously this is true, but what's so different with this class than 2011 to say it will work out this time?

 

There's nothing that does.  There never is.  Does that mean we should avoid 1st round Quarterbacks forever?  Wait around and hope we get Russell Wilson or Tom Brady in the 3rd or 6th?

Quote:I am against it because we haven't seen them go through the draft process yet. A year ago Geno Smith was looking to potentially go #1 overall and he fell into the second day. The first QB taken was no where in sight at this point last year. Right now my opinion of the QB's in the class are at the same level as Geno was last year.Bridgewater is too small, Manziel is too much of  wild-card, and Bortles is somewhat unknown.

 

Also, no one in this draft compares to Clowney at the moment, so it's moreso about drafting elite talent.

 

Bridgewater is 6-2 1/2, listed as 6-3. He has almost four months to add a few pounds. You are crazy if you think he is too small.

 

It does not matter if Clowney is the most talented player in the draft. We need a franchise quarterback more than anything else and there aren't any in Round 2.

Quote:Bridgewater is 6-2 1/2, listed as 6-3. He has almost four months to add a few pounds. You are crazy if you think he is too small.

 

It does not matter if Clowney is the most talented player in the draft. We need a franchise quarterback more than anything else and there aren't any in Round 2.

 

It isn't about height or weight, it's about his frame. He is thin, which is something a few pounds can't fix.

 

There aren't any in Round 1, neither.

Quote:It isn't about height or weight, it's about his frame. He is thin, which is something a few pounds can't fix.

 

There aren't any in Round 1, neither.

 

The guys expected to be first round picks are worlds better than the guys expected to be second round picks. How is that not obvious to you?

Quote:Buy some time... that is hard to hear after 2-14, 4-12 season and not being relevant whatsoever since 2007.

 

It is.  But to me, it's even more difficult to look at any of these QBs and believe the savior is coming with pick #3.

 

We were relevant in 2007 with a fourth round QB.  Arguably... no, easily... the best QB from his draft class.

 

You can't manufacture a franchise QB from a questionable crop.

 

Be prepared to take another in the next couple years, regardless.  The odds are we're not hitting the lotto this year even if we take one at #3.

Quote:The guys expected to be first round picks are worlds better than the guys expected to be second round picks. How is that not obvious to you?

 

They all carry the same risk, IMO.  I wouldn't take any of them in the top 10, personally.

Quote:The guys expected to be first round picks are worlds better than the guys expected to be second round picks. How is that not obvious to you?

 

 

I never said anything contrarian to that statement, but...

 

Worlds better =/= franchise QB.

 

At this point, all the QB's have too many questions marks, to take them in the top 3 is too risky compared to players at other positions at that spot.

Quote:It is.  But to me, it's even more difficult to look at any of these QBs and believe the savior is coming with pick #3.

 

We were relevant in 2007 with a fourth round QB.  Arguably... no, easily... the best QB from his draft class.

 

You can't manufacture a franchise QB from a questionable crop.

 

Be prepared to take another in the next couple years, regardless.  The odds are we're not hitting the lotto this year even if we take one at #3.

 

It is better to pick one of these quarterbacks at #3 than miss out on our golden opportunity if we think that guy is much better than who we have now. He may not be what everybody wants - a "franchise quarterback" and "team savior" or the next Andrew Luck, but if he is much better than Chad Henne and Blaine Gabbert, we need him.