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Quote:Every time we pick a QB, its a bust.

 

David Garrard was not a bust.

Quote:The people against picking a quarterback at #3 are Jadaveon Clowney fans who are blind to the obvious fact that the drop in talent is much greater for quarterbacks than it is for defensive ends. They are in favor of picking the BAP regardless of position because they do not understand doing that will put elite players on the bench while not fixing 10 or more problems. Every time I explain that is bad the idiots who disagree with me just try to argue I am wrong.

Irony.

 

You don't pick a player at #3 who you don't feel is good enough to go at #3. The fact that you can't understand this simple concept is astounding.

Quote:If we avoid the minefield at the top and get a value pick like Glennon from last year, it will buy us time until we bring in a franchise guy. The key is not stop looking, even after you take one.

We won't buy any time. We will be wasting it with multiple 8-8 7-9 9-7 records. We might overachieve and go 10-6 due to the breadth of talent at other positions but we will essentially be like the Bengals with Dalton.



BENGALS....let that sink in. Clearly Dalton is not the answer but they cant really address the position with an elite prospect because they win too many games.

Quote:We won't buy any time. We will be wasting it with multiple 8-8 7-9 9-7 records. We might overachieve and go 10-6 due to the breadth of talent at other positions but we will essentially be like the Bengals with Dalton.



BENGALS....let that sink in. Clearly Dalton is not the answer but they cant really address the position with an elite prospect because they win too many games.

 

I see what you are saying, but, in fairness, Kaepernick was taken with he next pick.  If Kaepernick goes to the Bengals are they closer to being an elite team with their roster?  I don't think its ridiculous to say they would be real contenders as opposed to yearly playoff contenders.

 

I am glad I do not have to make this decision, because I can definitely see why people want a QB early and why others want to wait.  Of course, if I was making this decision i would have a lot more money then I do right now so.......

Quote:It is. But to me, it's even more difficult to look at any of these QBs and believe the savior is coming with pick #3.


We were relevant in 2007 with a fourth round QB. Arguably... no, easily... the best QB from his draft class.


You can't manufacture a franchise QB from a questionable crop.


Be prepared to take another in the next couple years, regardless. The odds are we're not hitting the lotto this year even if we take one at #3.

Agreed with some of the above. We will have to see how Caldwell evaluates this group. Of course, I don't want to take a QB for the sake of taking one.

Quote:Every time we pick a QB, its a bust.

But that shouldn't stop us from continuing to do so.

Quote:Agreed with some of the above. We will have to see how Caldwell evaluates this group. Of course, I don't want to take a QB for the sake of taking one.

 

Wow, just looked at Garrard's draft as well as the 2007 draft.  Not a single good QB outside of our decent Garrard.  Makes you wonder about forcing a pick.

I'm against taking one at 3 because I don't think there is a QB in this draft worth taking that high. You don't draft a QB just to draft one, obviously.

 

I also think that some people do not want a QB at 3 because if he turns out to be another Leftwich or Gabbert, that will set us back another  three, four, or five years.

Quote:The people against picking a quarterback at #3 are Jadaveon Clowney fans who are blind to the obvious fact that the drop in talent is much greater for quarterbacks than it is for defensive ends. They are in favor of picking the BAP regardless of position because they do not understand doing that will put elite players on the bench while not fixing 10 or more problems. Every time I explain that is bad the idiots who disagree with me just try to argue I am wrong.

 

Thank God you aren't a GM.

Quote:I'm against taking one at 3 because I don't think there is a QB in this draft worth taking that high. You don't draft a QB just to draft one, obviously.

 

I also think that some people do not want a QB at 3 because if he turns out to be another Leftwich or Gabbert, that will set us back another  three, four, or five years.

 

So no QB in the draft is worth a pick? 

Quote:So no QB in the draft is worth a pick? 

 

No, I didn't say that. I said I don't think there is a QB worth taking at the number three pick.

Quote:The people against picking a quarterback at #3 are Jadaveon Clowney fans who are blind to the obvious fact that the drop in talent is much greater for quarterbacks than it is for defensive ends. They are in favor of picking the BAP regardless of position because they do not understand doing that will put elite players on the bench while not fixing 10 or more problems. Every time I explain that is bad the idiots who disagree with me just try to argue I am wrong.

Serious question. If we draft Clowney, do you really think he will be put on the bench? What elite players do we ave that will ride the bench if Clowney comes?

 

We have ZERO elite players on this team and if Clowney is as good as advertised he will make this team better.

Quote:Yeah, but they didn't ask to be corrected.

Now if only you could fix your username

Quote:Irony.

 

You don't pick a player at #3 who you don't feel is good enough to go at #3. The fact that you can't understand this simple concept is astounding.

 

If your biggest need is at a position that has very few good options in the draft, you have to pick him in the first round before anybody else can pick him up. That is the only way to improve at QB.

Quote:Serious question. If we draft Clowney, do you really think he will be put on the bench? What elite players do we ave that will ride the bench if Clowney comes?

 

We have ZERO elite players on this team and if Clowney is as good as advertised he will make this team better.

 

I am not talking about Clowney. My argument is against taking the BAP "regardless of position" even if it is not a need.

Quote:No, I didn't say that. I said I don't think there is a QB worth taking at the number three pick.

 

I guess what I am asking is if there isn't one taking at number 3, there isn't one worth taking period, certainly after pick 39. 

Quote:I guess what I am asking is if there isn't one taking at number 3, there isn't one worth taking period, certainly after pick 39. 

 

There may be some worth picking later in the first round, but there is no reason to trade down knowing three teams after you need a quarterback.

Quote:There may be some worth picking later in the first round, but there is no reason to trade down knowing three teams after you need a quarterback.

 

I agree. But does anyone honestly think there is someone available at QB, who can be a franchise QB, available after pick 39. I don't, and I don't think GMs are going to let another russell wilson happen. 

Quote:I agree. But does anyone honestly think there is someone available at QB, who can be a franchise QB, available after pick 39. I don't, and I don't think GMs are going to let another russell wilson happen. 

If Teddy and Manziel are both gone at #3, I say we take Clowney. I don't think Bortles is worth the #3 overall pick.

Quote:If Teddy and Manziel are both gone at #3, I say we take Clowney. I don't think Bortles is worth the #3 overall pick.

 

I think Bortles will be better than Manziel.  


If Bridgewater and Clowney are out by the third pick, I'd take Bortles over Manziel.  If Clowney is there at 3, and Bridgewater is gone, I'd consider trading down to a spot where I could still get Bortles.