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Interesting. Im giving up on attempting to evaluate talent. I just see someone I like or dont

Clowney above all.


You know what people missed about THE HIT? What happened directly beforehand that led to that play.


That, to me, makes that a whole different level of impressive. Also,he did the same thing later in the game, but shoelace managed to have his helmet on correctly.


If you don't know what I'm referring to, you should find it somewhere. It is a reflection of how he cares about football,,as far as I'm concerned.

Quote:If we don't get Teddy then take Mack or Matthews, or trade down for Matthews (WR) or Amaro. Take a shot on Garropolo in the 2nd if we don't get Teddy

MACK OR MATTHEWS?

 

I'd take

 

Teddy

Manziel

Clowney

Watkins

 

before i'd even consider Mack.. and as far as Matthews is concerned, unless we're giving up on Jockel we don't need another Tackle, Paztor was a bright spot on our team last year.. he doesn't need to be replaced. 

If we're truely going to go O line again.. it better be a Guard, because that's where a good majority of our issues have been for the past 2-3 years. 

I want Mett in the third

I want the best player available regardless of position.

 

When you over-value a player because you think you have a need to address, you're only hurting yourself and your organization. If your draft pick value is twenty and because of a perception of need, you settle for a ten - believing you have filled a need, you've agreed to waste half the value of that asset.

 

You think you have filled a need, but in reality you burned a pick with a value of twenty for a player scouts agree will never reach a value greater than ten.

 

Cutting the value of your asset(s) deliberately by making an upside down decision is a very bad business practice. 

 

Blowing off an elite prospect for a lesser talented player at another position makes your organization less talented. 

 

The reason the Jaguars can't reach competitive strength relates directly to the unwillingness to develop a talented roster. 

 

The only way to develop a talented roster is through drafting the most talented football players available with each and every draft pick. 

 

A fool and his picks are soon parted.

Quote:People who say this should take a look at:


P. Mannings scouting report

T. Bradys scounting report

D. Bree's scouting report

A. Rodgers scouting report

M. Ryans scouting report


I could keep going.


If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it is not mongoose


Patterns are essential to life

This is literally the worst argument you could make for Bridgewater.


"Other players are good, so Bridgewater will be too"


Horrible. Really bad man.


The history of the NFL draft is littered with "ducks" who ended up being "lame ducks". You must be new to this whole football thing.

Quote:This is literally the worst argument you could make for Bridgewater.


"Other players are good, so Bridgewater will be too"

I don't think you understand what he meant. He was trying to make the point that if you look back at those guys when they were NFL draft prospects they had plenty of question marks, too. Actually, out of that list Teddy would be 2nd only behind Peyton. 

Quote:People who say this should take a look at:

 

P. Mannings scouting report

T. Bradys scounting report

D. Bree's scouting report

A. Rodgers scouting report

M. Ryans scouting report

 

I could keep going.

 

If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it is not mongoose

 

Patterns are essential to life

 

None of the above quarterbacks sand-bagged their way through college, did they?

Quote:People who say this should take a look at:


P. Mannings scouting report

T. Bradys scounting report

D. Bree's scouting report

A. Rodgers scouting report

M. Ryans scouting report


I could keep going.


If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it is not mongoose


Patterns are essential to life

McCarron scouting report also looks like these and most closest to Brady. Teddy scouting report is actually the closest to Bradford. Would rather Brady in the 3rd than Bradford in the 1st

Quote:McCarron scouting report also looks like these and most closest to Brady. Teddy scouting report is actually the closest to Bradford. Would rather Brady in the 3rd than Bradford in the 1st

 

From a technical standpoint, Bridgewater appears to be close to Quinn Gray.

Quote:People who say this should take a look at:

 

P. Mannings scouting report

T. Bradys scounting report

D. Bree's scouting report

A. Rodgers scouting report

M. Ryans scouting report

 

I could keep going.

 

If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it is not mongoose

 

Patterns are essential to life

 

It's because the things that Teddy does "great" to "elite" aren't things that people can read off a wiki-page or website's stat page.

Quote:http://houston.cbslocal.com/2014/01/23/g...the-draft/

 

Likes Bridgewater,displays good arm and mastery of his offense

 

Says Manziel played unstructured, missed throws (or simply refused to make throws) that were designed (eye of the beholder type prospect)

 

Bortles, toss up

 

Thanks for posting  this. 

 

From listening to this, it seems like he's comparing these guys against perfection.   Which is okay, as long as you realize what he's doing. 

 

I thought what he said about Matt Schaub was interesting.  

 

Greg Cosell does have some credibility with me, because right after we drafted Blaine Gabbert, he came out and said that Gabbert would never be a good QB because of his problems dealing with pressure from pass rushers.  I didn't want to believe it at the time, but apparently he was right. 

Quote:McCarron scouting report also looks like these and most closest to Brady. Teddy scouting report is actually the closest to Bradford. Would rather Brady in the 3rd than Bradford in the 1st

 

There are similarities to Teddy and Bradford's scouting report. But they have different question marks coming in. Teddy's is level of competition + measureables. Bradford didn't have these, and in fact the exact opposite (Bradford played in OU, and is 6'4 225, prototypical QB size). Bradford's question marks is that he played in a gimmicky offense, had injury problems, and that he rarely saw pressure in college, again the exact opposite of Teddy (pro-style offense, no injury problems coming in, saw constant pressure and succeeded).

 

As far as AJ is concerned, he does have similarities. But everything that AJ does well, Teddy does even better. If we miss out on Teddy and opt for AJ later in the draft (4th is where I like him), then its a decent fallback option. No way would it be my preference though.

 

It would be like saying you rather have Garrard in the 4th than McNair at #3. Everything David does well, McNair does better and some. If you missed out on McNair at #3, then David would be a nice fallback option. But no way should he be your preference.

Quote:Thanks for posting  this. 

 

From listening to this, it seems like he's comparing these guys against perfection.   Which is okay, as long as you realize what he's doing. 

 

I thought what he said about Matt Schaub was interesting.  

 

Greg Cosell does have some credibility with me, because right after we drafted Blaine Gabbert, he came out and said that Gabbert would never be a good QB because of his problems dealing with pressure from pass rushers.  I didn't want to believe it at the time, but apparently he was right. 

 

Right after we drafted Gabbert?

 

http://www.bigcatcountry.com/2013/4/24/4...rs-success

 

 

"When the bodies are around him and the pocket starts collapsing and he's in the cauldron of fire... he can't play."

-Greg Cosell

Quote:Manziel is too risky and Bortles is suspect. With so little talent on our roster, I'm not sure we can be gambling on the 3rd overall pick. We need a stud with our first pick, not a project

 

You can also phrase it this way "With no starting QB on our roster, I'm not sure we can afford to miss out on yet another franchise QB."

 

If there's a guy there you think can be your franchise QB, you take him. You don't wait around hoping for all the dominoes to fall into place in the later rounds, because there's so many variables that can quickly change the landscape of a draft.

Quote:There are similarities to Teddy and Bradford's scouting report. But they have different question marks coming in. Teddy's is level of competition + measureables. Bradford didn't have these, and in fact the exact opposite (Bradford played in OU, and is 6'4 225, prototypical QB size). Bradford's question marks is that he played in a gimmicky offense, had injury problems, and that he rarely saw pressure in college, again the exact opposite of Teddy (pro-style offense, no injury problems coming in, saw constant pressure and succeeded).

 

As far as AJ is concerned, he does have similarities. But everything that AJ does well, Teddy does even better. If we miss out on Teddy and opt for AJ later in the draft (4th is where I like him), then its a decent fallback option. No way would it be my preference though.

 

It would be like saying you rather have Garrard in the 4th than McNair at #3. Everything David does well, McNair does better and some. If you missed out on McNair at #3, then David would be a nice fallback option. But no way should he be your preference.

 

Tom Coughlin drafted David Garrard because Steve McNair's totality made such an impression upon him.

 

In other words, Coughlin drafted Garrard because he appeared to be a McNair clone. He even gave him number nine to wear.

 

BTW, Tom took Boselli second over-all in 1995 instead of McNair, who was taken third.

Quote:Right after we drafted Gabbert?

 

http://www.bigcatcountry.com/2013/4/24/4...rs-success

 

 

"When the bodies are around him and the pocket starts collapsing and he's in the cauldron of fire... he can't play."

-Greg Cosell

 

Right after we drafted Gabbert, Cosell was interviewed on one of the local radio stations, and he said the same thing. 

Quote:This is literally the worst argument you could make for Bridgewater.


"Other players are good, so Bridgewater will be too"


Horrible. Really bad man.


The history of the NFL draft is littered with "ducks" who ended up being "lame ducks". You must be new to this whole football thing.

 

Quote:This is literally the worst argument you could make for Bridgewater.


"Other players are good, so Bridgewater will be too"


Horrible. Really bad man.


The history of the NFL draft is littered with "ducks" who ended up being "lame ducks". You must be new to this whole football thing.

You obviously had no idea what I meant...

 

Let me break it down to you

 

1. All the qbs on this lease came into NFL with question marks and the overriding concern that they didn't do anything "exceptionally" 

well

 

You are new football thing, go back to rugby or soccer. Better yet go back to grade school where you can learn critical thinking and reading comprehension

Quote:McCarron scouting report also looks like these and most closest to Brady. Teddy scouting report is actually the closest to Bradford. Would rather Brady in the 3rd than Bradford in the 1st

Caveat #1

1. Brady has excellent pocket presence

2. McCarron has no pocket presence...No clutchness