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Quote:News flash, your team isn't that good and will be watching the playoffs from the couch, all while not knowing what to do at QB in the off-season.

While I'm on your side, I hate to be the pot that calls the kettle black with you. We're kinda in the same boat, only ours is 10 years older and more leaky, and without a warranty.

Quote:While I'm on your side, I hate to be the pot that calls the kettle black with you. We're kinda in the same boat, only ours is 10 years older and more leaky, and without a warranty.

 

Oh, we are absolutely in the same boat. We suck. I'll never deny that, but my point is, Houston has been stagnant for a decade. They are now essentially losing Watt and replaced him with Clowney, who is good, but nowhere on the level of Watt. So basically, a #1 pick made them a little worse than what they were.

 

Lets be honest. Rick Smith is a TERRIBLE GM and would have to get extremely lucky to hit on a late round franchise QB, so as long as Smith is the GM and they continue drafting in the bottom half of the draft, they will never be an elite franchise. I mean, who pays a guy 72M without working him out? How is Smith still employed?

 

In closing, the entire division has failed to take advantage of the lull Indy is in and are basically counting on them to continue drafting poorly in order to catch up with them. J.J Watt will likely retire soon because no elite player wants to be a former shell of themselves after multiple surgeries. A guy like that is too prideful and has made too much money.

Quote:Oh, we are absolutely in the same boat. We suck. I'll never deny that, but my point is, Houston has been stagnant for a decade. They are now essentially losing Watt and replaced him with Clowney, who is good, but nowhere on the level of Watt. So basically, a #1 pick made them a little worse than what they were.


Lets be honest. Rick Smith is a TERRIBLE GM and would have to get extremely lucky to hit on a late round franchise QB, so as long as Smith is the GM and they continue drafting in the bottom half of the draft, they will never be an elite franchise. I mean, who pays a guy 72M without working him out? How is Smith still employed?


In closing, the entire division has failed to take advantage of the lull Indy is in and are basically counting on them to continue drafting poorly in order to catch up with them. J.J Watt will likely retire soon because no elite player wants to be a former shell of themselves after multiple surgeries. A guy like that is too prideful and has made too much money.

It's unusual, but I agree with most of your points. I don't have a very high opinion of Rick Smith either, although he's not as bad as Ryan Grigson. I do think the Texans are in a bit of a QB pickle, and I think it'll take something drastic to pull them out of that particular purgatory.


Let's hope it never happens.

Quote:It's unusual, but I agree with most of your points. I don't have a very high opinion of Rick Smith either, although he's not as bad as Ryan Grigson. I do think the Texans are in a bit of a QB pickle, and I think it'll take something drastic to pull them out of that particular purgatory.


Let's hope it never happens.

 

Drastic? Like spending 72M on a backup QB you didn't even workout? lol

I wouldn't say the entire division has failed to take advantage - Tenn is in a pretty nice position.

Quote:I'm glad making the pro-bowl is the measuring stick of a good player now.


3 million rednecks sitting in their basement voting for Clowney all day and night so they could cuddle up to their battle-red [BAD WORD REMOVED] knowing he made the pro-bowl doesn't make him any more impressive as a player.


He's a good player, but he's not a Jaguar, and so I hate him. Who coulda thunk such an opinion would exist on this, the Jaguars fans forum? Mind boogling. It boogles the mind!

 

I think he deserves more respect than that.

 

He did earn his Pro Bowl, and I would have him over Fowler in a heartbeat.

Quote:I think he deserves more respect than that.


He did earn his Pro Bowl, and I would have him over Fowler in a heartbeat.

I would agree. I'm mostly trying to jeer our tinhorn brethren a bit.

Quote:Drastic? Like spending 72M on a backup QB you didn't even workout? lol

Yea, they went Willie nilly on that one and I think most people thought it was a mistake.


They are going to have to double down though, and by drastic I mean giving up a ton of resources in order to trade up to draft the best young QB they can find in 2017 or 2018.

Quote:Yea, they went Willie nilly on that one and I think most people thought it was a mistake.


They are going to have to double down though, and by drastic I mean giving up a ton of resources in order to trade up to draft the best young QB they can find in 2017 or 2018.

 

I am somewhat hoping Savage gives them a false sense of hope these last 2 games so they have a really difficult decision to make this off-season, then the QB they stick with ends up being a complete bust next year so they have to start over.

 

I wish nothing but the worst for Houston. 

Quote:Your boy has 9.5 career sacks, dial it back a little.

40% of his sacks this year came last game. Unblocked on the stunt around Cann, and unblocked on the read option keeper that Blake read horribly. 

 

Sure those count as two sacks on the stat sheet, but that's why sacks above all other stats need some nuance. 

Quote:40% of his sacks this year came last game. Unblocked on the stunt around Cann, and unblocked on the read option keeper that Blake read horribly. 

 

Sure those count as two sacks on the stat sheet, but that's why sacks above all other stats need some nuance.

I can't tell if you're trying to agree with me or start an argument.

Quote:I can't tell if you're trying to agree with me or start an argument.

Just adding some more context. Not only are his sack totals still pretty underwhelming, but some of the ones he has are awfully dubious as well. 

Quote:Just adding some more context. Not only are his sack totals still pretty underwhelming, but some of the ones he has are awfully dubious as well.

Gotcha, agreed.

He'll never play long enough to live up to his potential.  Dude is hurt more than he's healthy and he doesn't have the motor to be a great one.  If he did, he could be LT great but he just doesn't have it.

Quote:J.J Watt will likely retire soon because no elite player wants to be a former shell of themselves after multiple surgeries. A guy like that is too prideful and has made too much money.

 

Alright you drew me out.  You realize JJ Watt is only 27, he's also playing out one of the highest defensive contracts in the entire league.  Umm this is the first year he's ever missed a game. Now admit it, Clowney/Watt/Mercilus scares you a little bit...no no no...I understand.  Nobody is excited for Bortles to throw banana balls with 3 pass rushers waiting to swat/sac that slow [BLEEP] delivery on a pass rush, cause you can't figure out who the $#!@ to double/triple team of those three players.

 

###Drop the Mic###

why did Clowney make the pro bowl?

Quote:why did Clowney make the pro bowl?

 

You obviously didnt watch Texans' game this year.   They asked him to moved from OLB to JJ's spot on the Line.  He didnt have the sack production, but he was HELL against the run and pressured the QBs alot.  

As for Rick Smith as a GM.  Is he the greatest..?  No.  However......Rick Smith's weakness in the draft has really been the 3rd round of the draft.   However, his first rounds are maybe the best in the league.   Also, he has a knack for finding Undrafted FAs that contribute (Arian Foster, anyone?).

 

9 of the 10 first rounders drafted by Rick Smith.......ARE STILL ON THE TEXANS and are key players.

 

2013 is probably his worst draft.  2014 may turnout to be his Best.

 

Note: Head Coaches and D-Coordinators have big say in players picks (Wade Phillips lobbied for JJ Watt).  Head Coaches probably have final say.....although this is unclear.

 

Texans' draft since Rick Smith has been GM:

 

First Rounders:

 

2007 10th overall ^{(from Atlanta)}Amobi Okoye DT Louisville 2008 26th overall ^{(from Baltimore)}Duane Brown OT Virginia Tech 2009 15th overall Brian Cushing LB Southern California 2010 20th overall Kareem Jackson CB Alabama 2011 11th overall J.J. Watt DE Wisconsin 2012 26th overall Whitney Mercilus OLB Illinois 2013 27th overall DeAndre Hopkins WR Clemson 2014 1st overall Jadeveon Clowney DE South Carolina 2015 16th overall Kevin Johnson CB Wake Forest 2016 21st overall ^{(from Washington)}Will Fuller WR Notre Dame

 

Full Drafts:

 

Round/Pick Player Position College 1/10 ^{(from Atlanta)}Amobi Okoye DT Louisville 3/73 Jacoby Jones* WR Lane 4/123 ^{(from New Orleans)}Fred Bennett CB South Carolina 5/144 Brandon Harrison S Stanford 5/163 ^{(from New Orleans)}Brandon Frye OT Virginia Tech 6/183 Kasey Studdard OG Texas 7/218 Zac Diles LB Kansas State

 

 

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Further information: 2008 NFL Draft
Round/Pick Player Position College 1/26 ^{(from Baltimore)}Duane Brown OT Virginia Tech 3/79 Antwaun Molden CB Eastern Kentucky 3/89 ^{(from Baltimore)}Steve Slaton RB West Virginia 4/118 Xavier Adibi LB Virginia Tech 5/151 Frank Okam DT Texas 6/173 ^{(from Baltimore)}Dominique Barber S Minnesota 7/223 Alex Brink QB Washington State

 

 

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Further information: 2009 NFL Draft
Round/Pick Player Position College 1/15 Brian Cushing LB Southern California 2/46 Connor Barwin* DE Cincinnati 3/77 Antoine Caldwell C Alabama 4/112 Glover Quin* CB New Mexico 4/122 ^{(from Minnesota)}Anthony Hill TE North Carolina State 5/152 James Casey TE Rice 6/188 Brice McCain CB Utah 7/223 Troy Nolan S

Arizona State

 

 

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Further information: 2010 NFL Draft
 

Round/Pick Player Position College 1/20 Kareem Jackson CB Alabama 2/58 ^{(from New England)}Ben Tate RB Auburn 3/81 Earl Mitchell DT Arizona 4/102 ^{(from Kansas City)}Darryl Sharpton LB Miami (FL) 4/118 Garrett Graham TE Wisconsin 5/144 ^{(from Kansas City)}Sherrick McManis CB Northwestern 6/187 Shelley Smith OG Colorado State 6/197 ^{(from San Diego)}Trindon Holliday WR LSU 7/227 Dorin Dickerson TE Pittsburgh

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Further information: 2011 NFL Draft
Round/Pick Player Position College 1/11 J. J. Watt DE Wisconsin 2/42 Brooks Reed LB Arizona 2/60 ^{(from New England)}Brandon Harris CB Miami (FL) 4/127 ^{(from Washington)}Rashad Carmichael CB Virginia Tech 5/144 ^{(from Washington)}Shiloh Keo S Idaho 5/152 ^{(from Washington)}T. J. Yates QB North Carolina 7/214 Derek Newton OT Arkansas State 7/254 Cheta Ozougwu DE Rice

 

 

 

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Further information: 2012 NFL Draft
Round/Pick Player Position College 1/26 Whitney Mercilus LB Illinois 3/68 ^{(from Tampa Bay)}DeVier Posey WR Ohio State 3/76 ^{(from Philadelphia)}Brandon Brooks OG Miami (OH) 4/99 ^{(from Tampa Bay via Philadelphia)}Ben Jones C Georgia 4/121 Keshawn Martin WR Michigan State 4/126 ^{(from New England via Denver and Tampa Bay)}Jared Crick DE Nebraska 5/161 Randy Bullock PK Texas A&M 6/195 Nick Mondek OT Purdue

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Further information: 2013 NFL Draft
Round/Pick Player Position College 1/27 DeAndre Hopkins WR Clemson 2/57 D.J. Swearinger S South Carolina 3/89 Brennan Williams OT North Carolina 3/95 Sam Montgomery DE LSU 4/124 Trevardo Williams DE Connecticut 6/176 ^{(from Tennessee via Minnesota, Arizona, and Oakland)}David Quessenberry OT San Jose State 6/195 Alan Bonner WR Jacksonville State 6/198 ^{(from Atlanta via St. Louis)}Chris Jones DT Bowling Green 6/201 Ryan Griffin TE Connecticut 2014<span style="color:rgb(85,85,85);">[edit]</span>

Further information: 
 
2014 NFL Draft
 

Round/Pick Player Position College 1/1 Jadeveon Clowney DE South Carolina 2/33 Xavier Su'a-Filo OG UCLA 3/65 C. J. Fiedorowicz TE Iowa 3/83 ^{(from Pittsburgh via Cleveland and Philadelphia)}Louis Nix III DT Notre Dame 4/135 Tom Savage QB Pittsburgh 6/177 Jeoffrey Pagan DE Alabama 6/181 ^{(from Oakland)}Alfred Blue RB LSU 6/211 Jay Prosch FB Auburn 7/216 Andre Hal CB Vanderbilt 7/256 Lonnie Ballentine S Memphis

 

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Round/Pick Player Position College 1/16 Kevin Johnson CB Wake Forest 2/43 Benardrick McKinney ILB Mississippi State 3/70 Jaelen Strong WR Arizona State 5/175 (Compensatory Selection) Keith Mumphery WR Michigan State 6/211 (Compensatory Selection) Reshard Cliett OLB South Florida 6/216 (Compensatory Selection) Christian Covington NT Rice 7/235 Kenny Hilliard RB LSU

 

 

2016<span style="color:rgb(85,85,85);">[edit]</span> Round/Pick Player Position College 1/21 (From Washington) Will Fuller V WR Notre Dame 2/50 Nick Martin C Notre Dame 3/85 (From Atlanta) Braxton Miller WR Ohio State 4/119 Tyler Ervin RB San Jose State 5/159 K. J. Dillon SS West Virginia 5/166 (From New England) D. J. Reader DT Clemson

 

 

Bet u don't want to compare the Jags' draft history over the same period....lol.

As for Brock, They can free themselves after 2017.  If Savage is the QB, carrying Brock's 16 million is no big deal (Savage makes $600,000 in 2017 then is a RFA and u can pay him after next year).  

 

Both the Coach and GM signed off on Brock.....so it was not just Rick Smith.  The owner wanted a "franchise QB" and Brock was really the only option since they couldn't move up in the draft.   No one knew how good Dak would be....he went the 4th round....ironically, the same exact draft pick as Tom Savage in 2014 (plus...not every team has the Cowboys' Oline.)

Quote:I mean, who pays a guy 72M without working him out? How is Smith still employed?

Did y'll work out Malik before giving him $90M?