Quote:one offseason does not make an ownership tenure
While true, Khan sits at a record of 6-26 as Jaguars owner.
Thats gotta come up. Substantially.
Remember, some of the best & wealthiest businessmen on that list have not translated that success to their football teams. We hope it will for Khan, I certainly do.....but its far from a "given" that its going to happen.
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Khan has overseen two offseasons, not just one. He's now entering his 3rd.
Quote:Was looking on Google about the owner, his net worth as of Sept 2013, a measley 3.8 billion dollars, in comparison Jerry Jones net worth 2.7 billion. The man has some coin, we have the cap space, I wish we were more aggressive spending to get players in free agency (smart spending, see deal in Washington under Albert Haynsworth for bad example, or Drayton Florence) both were horrible acquisitions...
My question is: Do players just not want to come here or are we not targeting the expensive / looking to get paid for performing type of players?
Been a fan since we came into the league, i like the 14-2 seasons alot more than the 4-12, we need more talent and depth, and the whole qb thing i am confident will be addressed here shortly .... sometimes that requires spending $$$ for talent.
Posting Khan's wealth is funny timing.
Quote:While true, Khan sits at a record of 6-26 as Jaguars owner.
Thats gotta come up. Substantially.
Remember, some of the best & wealthiest businessmen on that list have not translated that success to their football teams. We hope it will for Khan, I certainly do.....but its far from a "given" that its going to happen.
What does that have to do with him? That speaks to the mess Weaver left behind.
Quote:What does that have to do with him? That speaks to the mess Weaver left behind.
He's been owner for 2 full seasons (and oversaw the last 5 games in 2011 - albeit those final 5 in 2011 are not on the record since he didn't officially take over till January 4, 2012) . "Some" responsibility of that 6-26 record indeed falls on Khan. You're giving him a total pass on the entire record? You can't blame it ALL on the previous owner/ what Khan inherited.
Quote:He's been owner for 2 full seasons (and oversaw the last 5 games in 2011 - albeit those final 5 in 2011 are not on the record since he didn't officially take over till January 4, 2012) . "Some" responsibility of that 6-26 record indeed falls on Khan. You're giving him a total pass on the entire record? You can't blame it ALL on the previous owner/ what Khan inherited.
I blame it on Weaver for endorsing Genecand setting the rebuild back. Only Gene Smith would hire Mike Mularkey to coach a team.
Quote:He's been owner for 2 full seasons (and oversaw the last 5 games in 2011 - albeit those final 5 in 2011 are not on the record since he didn't officially take over till January 4, 2012) . "Some" responsibility of that 6-26 record indeed falls on Khan. You're giving him a total pass on the entire record? You can't blame it ALL on the previous owner/ what Khan inherited.
Yes
Quote:He's been owner for 2 full seasons (and oversaw the last 5 games in 2011 - albeit those final 5 in 2011 are not on the record since he didn't officially take over till January 4, 2012) . "Some" responsibility of that 6-26 record indeed falls on Khan. You're giving him a total pass on the entire record? You can't blame it ALL on the previous owner/ what Khan inherited.
What should he have done to improve the record? I'm curious to know.
Quote:He's been owner for 2 full seasons (and oversaw the last 5 games in 2011 - albeit those final 5 in 2011 are not on the record since he didn't officially take over till January 4, 2012) . "Some" responsibility of that 6-26 record indeed falls on Khan. You're giving him a total pass on the entire record? You can't blame it ALL on the previous owner/ what Khan inherited.
Yes.
Quote:Was looking on Google about the owner, his net worth as of Sept 2013, a measley 3.8 billion dollars, in comparison Jerry Jones net worth 2.7 billion. The man has some coin, we have the cap space, I wish we were more aggressive spending to get players in free agency (smart spending, see deal in Washington under Albert Haynsworth for bad example, or Drayton Florence) both were horrible acquisitions...
My question is: Do players just not want to come here or are we not targeting the expensive / looking to get paid for performing type of players?
Been a fan since we came into the league, i like the 14-2 seasons alot more than the 4-12, we need more talent and depth, and the whole qb thing i am confident will be addressed here shortly .... sometimes that requires spending $$$ for talent.
Net worth has nothing to do with the salary cap.
Quote:I blame it on Weaver for endorsing Genecand setting the rebuild back. Only Gene Smith would hire Mike Mularkey to coach a team.
Again, some blame? Yes. Khan didn't have to take Weaver's advice though. No one was putting a gun to his head.
JUst saying - you have to look at it from all angles.
Quote:What should he have done to improve the record? I'm curious to know.
Quick answer? Hire better people. (from the very start, i.e. 2012)
Thats not a shot. You asked the question and thats an honest answer. I get that Khan was a novice and went with Weaver's advice....but no one said that was the mandatory way to go. I am sure Khan was receiving advice leading up to this purchase from more people than just Weaver there, as you remember this isn't Khan's first dabble with the NFL, he tried to buy the Rams years ago. Had Khan cleaned house upon first being named owner and hiring better people from that point, we'd likely be in a better place right now.
Bottom line, Khan owns "some" (not all) of the blame for 6-26.
It was the smart move to keep gene Smith the year he kept him. He then realized how poorly the organization ran under him and fired him. It's smart business to evaluate your new acquisition before a restructure. Usually in business the first year will still be carryover from the old regime.
Khan's fingerprints on this franchise didn't earnestly begin until last year when he hired HIS general manager
Quote:It was the smart move to keep gene Smith the year he kept him. He then realized how poorly the organization ran under him and fired him. It's smart business to evaluate your new acquisition before a restructure. Usually in business the first year will still be carryover from the old regime.
Khan's fingerprints on this franchise didn't earnestly begin until last year when he hired HIS general manager
Was it not "Khan's decision" to continue with Gene in 2012 and with the by product of Mularkey?
I just don't see how Khan gets a complete free pass for a decision that he played a part of.
A business always operates in the vision of it's leader(s). While subordinates may fail in performance they fail under the auspices of the leader.
When all else fails, bash everyone.
Someone has to be the blame after all.
That way, it's been "predicted."
Quote:There was already a thread on this that I posted. Khan's actually top 5 in net worth of all NFL owners - at #5.
Only Ross (Dolphins), Kroenke (Rams), Glazer (Tampa), and Paul Allen (Seahawks) are worth more, and theres a huge gap between Allen & the next closest.
Any big wig associated with Microsoft will be worth at least twice as much as any NFL owner.
Quote:The takeaway from this thread is - Khan is a bad a** - (censored in accordance with board rules I hope - nothing more to see here). Long live Khan I say!
I am not saying I don't like Khan. He's cool. So far he's seemed to have all the right intentions. I'm not burying the guy or anything....just saying that he cannot go totally blameLESS for the 6-26 record over his tenure as owner. --- Which a few people have tried to assert.
Ofcourse he's not blameless if he was a really REALLY good owner he'd also be able to play QB at a top 5 in the league level and we'd have a much better record. Maybe if he spent less time on engineering and more on throwing we'd be in a better position
I love how glitter boy bashes the owner because he didn't do more in his first two seasons to fix this team faster. This judgment brought to you by a guy who flips buyers for a living. Obviously the standards are higher when posting on a message board than they are in the real world.
The fact is, This owner has clearly been doing everything he can possibly do to change the fortunes for this franchise both on and off the field. To imply he hasn't is just more pathetic agenda whoring on the part of one diva. Not everything he has done may draw agreement from all people, but to say he hasn't done enough is bogus.
He has completely revamped the organization from the top down. As he has become acclamated as an owner, he's made significant changes by firing a new coach and his GM and bringing in innovative choices that are a better fit for this organization. He's handed them the reins and allowed them to rebuild the team in a way they feel will provide a more sustainable effect. He's done this without being a meddling owner as some are known to be.
Because it's not providing instant gratification, Cookie the Glitter Prince doesn't like it at all.
Oh well.
I'm sure the billionaire cares what his polar opposite spews on a message board. It's a shame your real life standards don't mirror your attention starved demands on the interwebs.
Quote:Was it not "Khan's decision" to continue with Gene in 2012 and with the by product of Mularkey?
I just don't see how Khan gets a complete free pass for a decision that he played a part of.
You clearly didn't understand my post, perhaps it flew over your head. Let me try again:
Yes, it was Khan's decision to keep Gene. Under the guidance of Weaver and under his experience as a businessman. It's Business 101 to come in and evaluate an organization before overhauling it. Otherwise, if you come in and drop the axe on the entire staff, you might lose some good peices that can be used and possibly even shine after some of the dead wood is alleviated. It was smart to keep Gene, it allowed Kahn to come in look over the layout, see how the organization ran, but also allowed him to take the first year and see what he liked and didn't like about the organization. Not only that, but he was a brand new NFL owner who needed some time to understand the intricacies of franchise ownership. Keeping the old guard for 1 year was also smart in terms of allowing them to guide the ship as he was testing the waters.
Any student that has taken business classes or any manager/owner of a business would see the benefit of how he handled his first year. To blame him for keep Gene Smith is really false critique. Keeping him 2 years, that would have been the mistake. But he fired him after his first full season as Owner.
Quote:I love how glitter boy bashes the owner....
I literally stopped reading right there.
Would someone show me where Khan is being "bashed" by me.
Its gotten to the point on this board where everything that isn't a compliment or props to the Jags is mis-labeled a "bash" There is a LOT of middle ground you know.
Laying "some" of the blame on the Jags 6-26 record since Khan took over is not a "bash", sorry.