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Quote:Nah, I don't think this counts as "legitimate."

 

Good, I like being a part of something illegitimate from time to time.

FSU WR's dropped a lot of passes too.... Thankfully Benjamin caught that last (Most Important) one.

Quote:Guys, a freshman QB just won the NT game. Freshman. I don't think people posting in this thread realize how unbelievable and hard that is. He also scored two TD'S on his final two drives, led the greatest come back in BCS NT game history and first freshman to win NT and Heisman in the same year. What world are we living in where that is now not impressive.

A world where the the stat sheet dominates.

Quote:Yeah Auburn DID leave a ton of points on the field. The dropped TD pass early in the 1st quarter, the missed field goal, and personally I feel the missed PI call when the Auburn receiver (Coates?) was wide open and the safety ran into him near the end zone and completely stopped his progress. I think he would have had a great chance at the ball if the defensive move would have been a clean one.

 

How many holds on FSU WR's did i see in replays?  Missed face mask or horse collar calls?  The lol celebration penalty?  I wouldn't take the officiating angle on this one.

Quote:Guys, a freshman QB just won the NT game. Freshman. I don't think people posting in this thread realize how unbelievable and hard that is. He also scored two TD'S on his final two drives, led the greatest come back in BCS NT game history and first freshman to win NT and Heisman in the same year. What world are we living in where that is now not impressive.

 

Great accomplishment no doubt ... need to clarify he is a redshirt freshman though.   As I stated in an earlier post, I saw Big Ben look like a deer in the headlights vs Seattle in the SB.  Same goes for Favre back in the mid-90's vs Denver.

Was definitely an exciting game.  Back and forth but I thought the key point of the game(aside from the missed tackle allowing Greene to take a 5 yard pass 50 yards) was Auburn only being up 11 at half.  They dominated the first half but kept making mistake after mistake.  Missed an easy TD on the first drive.  Jameis threw a lousy pass on their first drive that should have been picked(and had the potential to be returned back by the looks of it).  And dont forget the missed FG.  They left at least 10 points on the field in the first half.  If FSU is down 21 at half, they dont come back.  Their offense wasnt good enough.

 

I was a little disappointed with FSU honestly.  I'm still a little bitter Auburn made it to the title game based off a bunch of lucky fluke plays.  Was hoping FSU would crush them and prove they are the best.  Auburn was at best a 2 loss SEC team that still needed miracles against the likes of even Miss St.  FSU's offense completely shut down in the face of any pressure and Auburn doesnt even have a good pass rush.  I think man for man FSU has better players but the preparation was crap and thats a reflection on Jimbo.  He got outcoached.  Lucky for him he played against a team that shouldnt have been there and a team that made a bunch of mistakes as well. 

 

As much of a college football guy as I am, there is one thing the NFL has on it and thats the comparative strength of schedule.  Even a team like the Colts this year who played in arguably the worst division ever didnt win 11 or 12 games by accident.  They are a legitimately good team.  College football has so much more disparity, even within a conference sometimes.  While FSU is a good team, to no fault of their own, their schedule was cupcake.  Take Bama, Auburn, A&M, LSU, Mizzou, SCarolina... all of those teams would have the chance to run the table against FSU's schedule this year and I bet 4 or 5 of them would have.  However if you replace FSU with Auburn in the SEC West, would FSU have gone undefeated?  Last night's team wouldnt have, no chance.  Maybe they navigate the schedule, only lose once and still end up in title game but then you have to rely on losing to the right team to get there.  Its the same reason Big10 teams historically keep getting rolled in big games.  Their regular season schedule is crap and when they finally have to play a big opponent they get exposed.  I've always joked a team like LSU or Bama needs to leave the SEC, join the Sun Belt, play one or two strong out of conference games to get their name on the map and they'd be a lock for the national title game every year.  Strength of schedule only matters for smaller programs.  They dont matter for a big name team though.

Quote:Forget the football game. How about that post game speech. I would imagine any representative of FSU cringes any time there is a mic in front of him. His butchering of the English language should be a embarrassment to him and the school that claims to be educating him. If you needed any proof that academics are a afterthought as it pertains to college football, there you go. There is not a doubt in my mind that that guy is functioning at a fifth grade level or below. he should not even be eligible to attend the school much less  be on the field. 

I did not stay up for that. Had to fight to see the end of the game! What was the issue here?

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As much of a college football guy as I am, there is one thing the NFL has on it and thats the comparative strength of schedule.  Even a team like the Colts this year who played in arguably the worst division ever didnt win 11 or 12 games by accident.  They are a legitimately good team.  College football has so much more disparity, even within a conference sometimes.  While FSU is a good team, to no fault of their own, their schedule was cupcake.  Take Bama, Auburn, A&M, LSU, Mizzou, SCarolina... all of those teams would have the chance to run the table against FSU's schedule this year and I bet 4 or 5 of them would have.  However if you replace FSU with Auburn in the SEC West, would FSU have gone undefeated?  Last night's team wouldnt have, no chance.  Maybe they navigate the schedule, only lose once and still end up in title game but then you have to rely on losing to the right team to get there.  Its the same reason Big10 teams historically keep getting rolled in big games.  Their regular season schedule is crap and when they finally have to play a big opponent they get exposed.  I've always joked a team like LSU or Bama needs to leave the SEC, join the Sun Belt, play one or two strong out of conference games to get their name on the map and they'd be a lock for the national title game every year.  Strength of schedule only matters for smaller programs.  They dont matter for a big name team though.

 

I'm glad you posted this because I've wanted to address the idea of SEC superiority for quite some time.

 

Yes, they had won the past seven BCS championships prior to last night.  But is that necessarily reflective of the strength of the conference overall, or just the top?

 

Consider the SEC just expanded by two teams-Texas A&M and Missouri-within the last two years.

 

Now neither school was exactly known as perennial national football powers when they arrived in the SEC. 

 

Starting from 2007, Texas A & M finished  7-6, 4-8, 6-7, 9-4 & 7-6 in the years immediately preceding their joining the SEC.

 

Missouri was considered even less than a football power than Texas A&M.

 

Yet in their first year in the SEC, Texas A & M, playing an SEC schedule, finished 11-1, beating Alabama.

 

Within two years of joining the conference, Missouri played for the SEC championship.

 

I think either the concept is widely overrated, or the superiority is coming to a close.

Quote:Forget the football game. How about that post game speech. I would imagine any representative of FSU cringes any time there is a mic in front of him. His butchering of the English language should be a embarrassment to him and the school that claims to be educating him. If you needed any proof that academics are a afterthought as it pertains to college football, there you go. There is not a doubt in my mind that that guy is functioning at a fifth grade level or below. he should not even be eligible to attend the school much less  be on the field. 

 

Just stop

I think the SEC was definitely elite but the gap is closing.

Quote:Forget the football game. How about that post game speech. I would imagine any representative of FSU cringes any time there is a mic in front of him. His butchering of the English language should be a embarrassment to him and the school that claims to be educating him. If you needed any proof that academics are a afterthought as it pertains to college football, there you go. There is not a doubt in my mind that that guy is functioning at a fifth grade level or below. he should not even be eligible to attend the school much less  be on the field. 

 

For the record, Dan Marino and Jim Kelley got a 15 on their Wonderlic .... and Tebow got a 17.   Sometimes articulation does not correlate to ones intelligence.    I'd trade my education for Jameis' talent anyday. 

Quote:im an fsu fan and have supported this team though the last crappy decade and im stoked we just won the glass ball but......we got our butt(would like to use a better word) kicked...  both sides of the ball.... auburn shut down jameis and we had no answer for mason or that middle of the road qb,... dont get me wrong, im  stoked we won.... but.... for some reason, i feel like we got our butt kicked.

 

If you feel this way the day after winning a title, I don't know how big of a fan you can be. You just won a friggin national championship and you're moping?

Quote:If you feel this way the day after winning a title, I don't know how big of a fan you can be. You just won a friggin national championship and you're moping?

 

But they didn't win by enough!!!

Quote:I'm glad you posted this because I've wanted to address the idea of SEC superiority for quite some time.

 

 

I think you're grasping at straws a little.  I think the Big12 is lucky they missed Manziel.  The only big12 team he faced was their 2nd best team last year in the Cotton bowl and he beat them by 5 touchdowns.

 

Do remember that Mizzou got crushed last year and probably lucked out a little this year with a down SEC East.  however didnt they win at least 10 games in the 3 of the 5 years before they got to the SEC?  So its not like they were chopped liver.  And keep in mind that stretch came with Blaine Gabbert as their starter for part of it so just think what a handicap they were dealing with.

 

I think all you need to do is look at their bowl record again to see how strong they are.  What did they go this year in the bowls?  7-3?  8-2?  And as always they play the hardest bowl schedule of any conference.  They are routinely matched up with higher ranked teams from other leagues.  Sugar Bowl is 1 vs 1.  Capital One is 2 SEC vs 2 Big 10.  But then Cotton is 3 SEC vs 2 Big12.  Outback is 4 SEC v 3 Big10.  Peach is 5 SEC v 2 ACC.  Gator is 6 SEC v 4 Big10.  Isnt Music City 7 SEC v like 4 or 5 ACC?  Liberty is 8 SEC vs CUSA champion.  etc, etc....   And keep in mind every year theyve had a team in the title game so the 2nd best team is always in BCS bowl...each team gets moved up a spot. 

 

I think this was a down year not because of a lack of middle of the road teams, I think this was a down year because they didnt have any elite of elite teams.  Auburn this year was arguably their weakest team in a title game since this stretch began.

There's no "but"....

 

Years from now, decades from now, we will remember 2014 as the year FSU won their 3rd National Title. 

@rfc

 

The SEC went 6-4 this year in bowl games. 

Quote:@rfc

 

The SEC went 6-4 this year in bowl games. 

 

I just looked it up... 7-3.  Bama lost, UGA lost, and Auburn lost.

I am pretty sure Bridgewater, johnny and bortles would have done the exact same thing

 

I wouldn't trust Jameis playing with average talent right now this point of his career

Quote:Yet in their first year in the SEC, Texas A & M, playing an SEC schedule, finished 11-1, beating Alabama.

 

Within two years of joining the conference, Missouri played for the SEC championship.

 

 

See how much gooder you become when the Ess-Eee-See rubs off on ya!

Quote:I think you're grasping at straws a little.  I think the Big12 is lucky they missed Manziel.  The only big12 team he faced was their 2nd best team last year in the Cotton bowl and he beat them by 5 touchdowns.

 

Do remember that Mizzou got crushed last year and probably lucked out a little this year with a down SEC East.  however didnt they win at least 10 games in the 3 of the 5 years before they got to the SEC?  So its not like they were chopped liver.  And keep in mind that stretch came with Blaine Gabbert as their starter for part of it so just think what a handicap they were dealing with.

 

I think all you need to do is look at their bowl record again to see how strong they are.  What did they go this year in the bowls?  7-3?  8-2?  And as always they play the hardest bowl schedule of any conference.  They are routinely matched up with higher ranked teams from other leagues.  Sugar Bowl is 1 vs 1.  Capital One is 2 SEC vs 2 Big 10.  But then Cotton is 3 SEC vs 2 Big12.  Outback is 4 SEC v 3 Big10.  Peach is 5 SEC v 2 ACC.  Gator is 6 SEC v 4 Big10.  Isnt Music City 7 SEC v like 4 or 5 ACC?  Liberty is 8 SEC vs CUSA champion.  etc, etc....   And keep in mind every year theyve had a team in the title game so the 2nd best team is always in BCS bowl...each team gets moved up a spot. 

 

I think this was a down year not because of a lack of middle of the road teams, I think this was a down year because they didnt have any elite of elite teams.  Auburn this year was arguably their weakest team in a title game since this stretch began.

 

But if these schools came from vastly inferior conferences into thevastly superior SEC, wouldn't they need more than a year or two to acclimate to the SEC and be able to compete at the highest levels?

 

These guys came in and virtually microwaved ten win seasons.

 

How long did it take South Carolina to play for an SEC title?  How long did it take Florida to win an SEC title?

 

Vandy?

 

When was the last time Ole Miss played for the SEC crown?  Or Tennessee?

 

How, after only two years, was A & M able to get a split with Alabama-beating them in Alabama, and how has Missouri been able to beat Florida and Georgia and remain competitive against Auburn?