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Quote:Agreed, but some QB have a lower floor than others. 

 

Bridgewater has a much higher floor than Bortles. 

 

Gabbert's floor was low also based on his unimpressive college play. Bortles' play in college thus far, the bowl game notwithstanding has been decent but nothing really eye opening as well. 

 

I would argue that Bortles' floor is the highest of anyone in the draft.

 

Blake took a 5-7 team to 10-4 and 12-1 and won back-to-back bowl games, including a BCS Bowl game as the biggest dog in a BCS Bowl game in history.

 

Winning despite inferior talent is a huge plus in my book.

Quote:I would argue that Bortles' floor is the highest of anyone in the draft.

 

Blake took a 5-7 team to 10-4 and 12-1 and won back-to-back bowl games, including a BCS Bowl game as the biggest dog in a BCS Bowl game in history.

 

Winning despite inferior talent is a huge plus in my book.

Your opinion is shared by some of the latest mockers. I'm seeing Bortles going to us at #3 in more and more mock drafts.

It's funny how much Gabbert ruined other QB prospects for you guys. Bortles is the complete opposite than Gabbert.

Quote:I would argue that Bortles' floor is the highest of anyone in the draft.

 

Blake took a 5-7 team to 10-4 and 12-1 and won back-to-back bowl games, including a BCS Bowl game as the biggest dog in a BCS Bowl game in history.

 

Winning despite inferior talent is a huge plus in my book.

 

This. Plus he's very mechanically sound and has size and speed. He's the prototypical QB.

I heard Kiper this morning on the radio, and he seems to believe that St Louis will take Matthews with the 2nd pick. Assuming Kiper is right for once, I would be delighted. If you would have told me after the Jags won 4 of 5 games this season with a couple easy ones to come, that the team will still have a shot at Clowney, I would not have believed you. Personally, I am not a big advocate of Clowney as Pauline is paraphrased in the first post. But, some GMs are and will be, and it could make a trade back scenario very lucrative if Caldwell desires.

Quote:I wanna like Bortles but he has too many head-scratching throws. I'd like to see If thats a mechanics issue that can be ironed out or if he's just a wild thrower like Michael Vick is

This is very true. But, he has improved in that area from year to year. He used to make a lot of what the heck throws.

Quote:Everyone always assumes these throwing motions can be fixed (Leftwich/ Tebow/etc) and in almost every instance it doesn't happen. Its too far along to fix something thats second nature at this point.

Aaron Rodgers tweaked his throwing motion and gained more arm strength. It's not a huge fix but I've always thought something mechanically is wrong with Bortles throwing motion. Nothing major though.

Quote:Tony Pauline of Sports Illustrated was on 1010XL this afternoon talking draft. He is well known draft expert with lots of NFL and scout connections. I thought I would share some of his comments.


CLOWNEY.........

His #1 top draft prospect. Believes he will be the top defensive prospect since Bruce Smith. He's flexible in that you can rush him outside or inside the tackles taking advantages of a weakness. Game disrupter. Doesn't think there will be any motivational issues for him in the pros. He saw his teammate, Marcus Latimore, go down with devastating injuries and it affected him and factored into his play. He was playing and protecting himself. There's life after college. Still college teams were seriously game planning against him with double teams, triple teams, holding him, tripping him, whatever it took. Only negative was that he didn't come into the season in really good shape.


BRIDGEWATER........

very good player, comes from a pro style offense, experience calling his own plays, should have an easy transition into the pros, tough player, a gamer but has durability issues due to his size. Should excel at the combine especially at the chalkboard sessions. His #2 quarterback on the board.


BORTLES............

Wasn't impressed at first until he saw the films. Big, nimble, has an excellent game, makes the right choices, sees the field well, good presnap reads, handles pressure well, strong, tough guy, smart, proto-typical size, can do it all on his own. His #1 QB prospect.


MANZIEL............

Boom or bust. Had a terrific 2nd season, a real gamer, tough, exciting player, durability questions, not sure how he translates to the NFL where linebackers are faster and the secondary is quicker. Rated top of 2nd round but will probably go top 12. His 3rd rated QB.


METTENBERGER.............

Can make all the throws, pocket passer, would have excelled at the combine, was going to be drafted in the bottom third of the 1st round, now he's looking 2nd round.


MCCARRON................

Not going to going to the senior bowl is going to hurt him. He had everything to gain by playing. Likes him but doesn't love him. Game manager. 2nd or 3rd round. Good for a team needing a QB when his QB isn't there in the first round.


MURRAY......

Will fall to the last day of the draft. Probably won't be a starter. Good guy to have on the sidelines. Good back up. He's a gamer though.


HUNDLEY...........

Huge wild card, could go in the middle of round one to the end of round two depending on how he interviews and works out. Scouts are telling him to go back for another year but he wants to come out now.


FALES...............

Solid college QB, game manager, not great arm or size, mid to late round guy.


BARR............,

His big board #5. Very athletic, still developing, can be an every down guy, can be used as a strong side linebacker in a 4-3 system or an OLB in a 3-4 system, effective pass rusher, but can drop back in coverage against TEs likeGronkowski or Jimmy Graham.


QUESTION POSED TO HIM...........

If you were on the clock and you could pick any player for Jacksonville, who would it be?


A very tough decision between Bortles and Clowney. Would pick Bortles. Fills a need, would fit the Jags offense, good player now but with great potential. If Clowney is picked then would think Derek Carr or McCarron would be a good choice in a later round.


OTHER COMMENTS...........


Top receivers are Watson, Lee and Evans but lots of #2 receivers falling to the 2nd and 3rd rounds. Offensive tackles may be better and deeper than last year. Also a strong OLB class.

 

This is the time of the year when disclosure by the media would be a good thing. It's not essential in figuring out stuff, but it would rub their noses in it.

 

Here's a recap of what we now know:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWGAdzn5_KU

Quote:Tony Pauline of Sports Illustrated was on 1010XL this afternoon talking draft. He is well known draft expert with lots of NFL and scout connections. I thought I would share some of his comments.


CLOWNEY.........

His #1 top draft prospect. Believes he will be the top defensive prospect since Bruce Smith. He's flexible in that you can rush him outside or inside the tackles taking advantages of a weakness. Game disrupter. Doesn't think there will be any motivational issues for him in the pros. He saw his teammate, Marcus Latimore, go down with devastating injuries and it affected him and factored into his play. He was playing and protecting himself. There's life after college. Still college teams were seriously game planning against him with double teams, triple teams, holding him, tripping him, whatever it took. Only negative was that he didn't come into the season in really good shape.


BRIDGEWATER........

very good player, comes from a pro style offense, experience calling his own plays, should have an easy transition into the pros, tough player, a gamer but has durability issues due to his size. Should excel at the combine especially at the chalkboard sessions. His #2 quarterback on the board.


BORTLES............

Wasn't impressed at first until he saw the films. Big, nimble, has an excellent game, makes the right choices, sees the field well, good presnap reads, handles pressure well, strong, tough guy, smart, proto-typical size, can do it all on his own. His #1 QB prospect.

 

Bortles, Bridgewater or Clowney. One will be a Jaguar.

Quote:Bortles, Bridgewater or Clowney. One will be a Jaguar.

And I would be a happy fan

Quote:And I would be a happy fan

I just can't get over clowney though, All these reports come out saying he didn't' play hard because he didn't want to get injured for the draft and then coupled with the speeding tickets and the fact that against WI he really was a liability in the run. We need a 3 down DE.  I think I'd rather have Barr if we're going to have someone that isn't going to be an every down person because he seems more solid in the run. 

Quote:I just can't get over clowney though, All these reports come out saying he didn't' play hard because he didn't want to get injured for the draft and then coupled with the speeding tickets and the fact that against WI he really was a liability in the run. We need a 3 down DE. I think I'd rather have Barr if we're going to have someone that isn't going to be an every down person because he seems more solid in the run.

I don't get into all that "he didn't play hard" hype. There are ton of examples of guys that come in with those type of reps but prove people wrong. I'm honestly starting to fall for Blake Bortles the more and more I watch him

Quote:Bortles, Bridgewater or Clowney. One will be a Jaguar.

 

Or Manziel....actually, being that Gus likes to copy everything Seattle, I wouldn't be surprised if it was Manziel. 

Quote:Or Manziel....actually, being that Gus likes to copy everything Seattle, I wouldn't be surprised if it was Manziel. 

 

Maybe.  It's probably one of those 4 and I have no problem with any of them.  I'd go Bridgewater > Bortles > Clowney > Manziel at this point.

Been a big Bortles fan since his game against SC.  I hope he declares!

Quote:Maybe.  It's probably one of those 4 and I have no problem with any of them.  I'd go Bridgewater > Bortles > Clowney > Manziel at this point.

Quote:Maybe.  It's probably one of those 4 and I have no problem with any of them.  I'd go Bridgewater > Bortles > Clowney > Manziel at this point.

I'd be happy with anyone of the following 5.....no particular order at this time....I love them all......Bridgewater, Clowney, Manziel, Brotles (lol), Watson......

Bortles is not elite talent. You don't draft non-elite talent with a top three pick.

 

There are elite players in this draft. Why would a Jaguars' fan NOT want elite players?

Quote:Bortles is not elite talent. You don't draft non-elite talent with a top three pick.

 

There are elite players in this draft. Why would a Jaguars' fan NOT want elite players?

 

I agree that Bortles isn't worthy of a top 5 pick, but even if you trade back, you aren't likely to nab him with Cleveland picking behind us.

Quote:I agree that Bortles isn't worthy of a top 5 pick, but even if you trade back, you aren't likely to nab him with Cleveland picking behind us.

The Browns want Bortles? So what?

 

Or is this just more buster buckin' bunko from Mike Byatchi?

 

The Bortles girlfriend has a point about Bortles...