Quote:I'd give up this years 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and next years 3rd to move up to #1.
Because I know how to evaluate QBs intelligently and know what being able to take Teddy means.
I would only take Manziel in the first round if he came with an extra first round pick to get someone who will be in the NFL more than 2 years.
I wouldn't, and not because I don't really like Teddy.....
I wouldn't because too much can go wrong with those package deal trades.
The team getting the single player need EVERYTHING to go right, and in the real world, it usually doesn't. Look at RG3 deal.
Quote:I wouldn't, and not because I don't really like Teddy.....
I wouldn't because too much can go wrong with those package deal trades.
The team getting the single player need EVERYTHING to go right, and in the real world, it usually doesn't. Look at RG3 deal.
That is why I don't see anyone else giving up a huge amount in a trade either. Teams see what happened with RG3 and will be reluctant to make a similar deal.
Quote:That is why I don't see anyone else giving up a huge amount in a trade either. Teams see what happened with RG3 and will be reluctant to make a similar deal.
Yeah, but teams continue to do it....
I wouldn't do it, but won't be shocked if/ when another team gives it a shot
Quote:Yeah, but teams continue to do it....
I wouldn't do it, but I won't be shocked when another team does it.
If they get 3 firsts and 2 seconds (what STL got) I'll be shocked.
Quote:Anybody know of the last time there was a 1st round trade within a division for a top 10 pick?
When the Eagles sent Donovan McNabb to the Redskins, a lot of people were surprised to see him go to a division rival, saying that is very unusual. So my guess is it never happened.
Quote:If Dave does decide to make an offer? What would you be comfortable giving up? I might be willing to give a 3rd round.....but not our early 2nd or next year's 1st.
I'd give our first next years second and the fourth from the ravens
Quote:So every team that has the #1 pick does this every year........
and the team with the second, third, fourth, fifth, sixth.......................
Yet people act like it's breaking news that actually means something.
Quote:I'd give our first next years second and the fourth from the Ravens
Giving away our fourth from the Ravens would make trading Eugene Monroe a mistake. Did we not trade him to get extra picks?
Quote:Giving away our fourth from the Ravens would make trading Eugene Monroe a mistake. Did we not trade him to get extra picks?
Are you saying a trade can become a bad deal retroactively based on what you did with the value received?
Quote:Are you saying a trade can become a bad deal retroactively based on what you did with the value received?
Absolutely. Eugene Monroe was one of our best players, so the
only reason to trade him was collect two more picks.
The reason for the trade was to get more picks, yes. however, if we can use the extra picks as ammo to move up and select someone whom we deem a new starter, then the trade was more than worth it. Also, that trade was a smart business move by Caldwell. Monroe most likely wasn't going to 're sign with us for what we'd offer.
I'd like for us to get Teddy somehow.
Somehow....I have the feeling we won't trade up with anyone since we're in rebuilding mode. Looks like we'll have our choice between 5 of these 7 guys.......Clowney, Bridgewater, Manziel, Bortles, Barr, Mack and Watson. Dave will pick someone from the remaining 5 who is highest on his board. That's how I'm seeing it right now. This could easily change after free agency and the combine.
Quote:Absolutely. Eugene Monroe was one of our best players, so the only reason to trade him was collect two more picks.
I'm sorry, female logic always gives me a headache.
Do you imagine it's possible Dave Caldwell received some indication from Monroe and/or his agent that a
re-signing was unlikely and with that knowledge he
traded away one of our best players for a mid-round pick, rather than play out the rest of a going nowhere season and see him
sign with another team as a free agent, the net result in that case being
Monroe gone with no compensation?
Or do you think Caldwell is just an idiot?
Quote:I'd give our first next years second and the fourth from the ravens
I'd hate that.
I'd never give up picks in future years for a single player in a draft.
Besides, the above wouldn't be enough to move up anyway.
Quote:I'd hate that.
I'd never give up picks in future years for a single player in a draft.
Besides, the above wouldn't be enough to move up anyway.
So you wouldn't be willing to part with a second rounder for Bridgewater because it's in next years draft?
A second and a fourth seems like a relatively small price to pay for the first overall pick, especially if you believe that Bridgewater is a franchise QB.
Quote:So you wouldn't be willing to part with a second rounder for Bridgewater because it's in next years draft?
A second and a fourth seems like a relatively small price to pay for the first overall pick, especially if you believe that Bridgewater is a franchise QB.
Let's simplify the question. Is the best player in this year's draft a very low 2nd and 4th
better
than the third best player in the draft?
Quote:So you wouldn't be willing to part with a second rounder for Bridgewater because it's in next years draft?
A second and a fourth seems like a relatively small price to pay for the first overall pick, especially if you believe that Bridgewater is a franchise QB.
I know. And it really has nothing to do with Bridgewater. I am just a guy who HATES trading away multiple high picks in future drafts for ANY single player in a current one. Too much has to go perfect/ not go wrong like injury/ evaluation for the team getting the single player for the trade to be beneficial, and we all know in the real world, that usually does not happen.
I agree after some thought that that price isn't exhorbitant, and the Texans are't going to take that anyway. It will take the kind of deal I don't want to make to trade up to get Bridgewater.
Quote:Yeah, but teams continue to do it....
I wouldn't do it, but won't be shocked if/ when another team gives it a shot
It won't happen. It might not even happen for the Rams because of the RG3 trade.
That's going to put off a LOT of people, and the Rams will definitely warrant a Kings' ransom for whoever wants Clowney or Bridgewater. It's why I think they'll stay put and select Matthews.
Like I said, Matthews is still adequate value at #2.