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Yeah Manziel has apparently very large hands and huge feet.  They talked about how the only two successful QBs that are short in the league, Drew Brees and Russell Wilson, both have very large hands.

 

Luckily Johnny does too.

Quote:Is that true about Leftwich's shoe size, or am I missing the sarcasm? I find it hard to believe anyone that tall could have feet that small.


 

FWIW, the announcers in Texas A&M's bowl game said that Manziel wears size 16 shoes. Maybe that's a hint that he still has some growing left to do.

 

Yes, he did have very small feet for his size.  Many folks felt that's what made him so clumsy/unstable.

Quote:Yes, he did have very small feet for his size.  Many folks felt that's what made him so clumsy/unstable.

it wasn't the size.  He just had two lefts!

That's why he was named Left-wich?

Quote:That's why he was named Left-wich?

Now I know my role.  I do the set-up, you deliver the punch line. 

Quote:JW- I think your choice of word (bush) for MJD's hairstyle was perfect, BTW.

 

Does anyone think the size of the hair (the "bush" in MJDs case at that time in his career) affects a player's play at all? Case in point is ol' Tiquan Underhands. Does that (is it a bush too?) affect his play? Maybe it pushes up the helmet and forces the chinstrap up against his jaw making it difficult to talk?

 

OK then, bush it is. But now he has short dreads lol.

 

I was not saying hairstyle affects a player's career. My point was if one source says Teddy Bridgewater is 6-2 and another says he is 6-3, you should see if hairstyle is an explanation for the one-inch difference.

 

Quote:Is that true about Leftwich's shoe size, or am I missing the sarcasm? I find it hard to believe anyone that tall could have feet that small.


 

FWIW, the announcers in Texas A&M's bowl game said that Manziel wears size 16 shoes. Maybe that's a hint that he still has some growing left to do.

 

I have a male cousin who wears size 7 shoes. I know that is small for his height because my dad, who was only 5-2., wore size 6. So yes, tall men can have small feet.

 

No, that does not mean Johnny Manziel can grow any taller. He is just the opposite of Byron Leftwich - a short man with big feet.

 

This is why I said earlier foot size really does not matter when judging a quarterback.

When I saw Eric Decker fall on his own after an ugly tackle attempt by San Diego's punter, I remembered when he did the same thing on an offensive play at San Diego in 2012. All I could think was he might be too tall to lean forward when he runs. So when talking about wide receivers, we must consider how high their center of gravity is. I learned during ninth grade science class in males that is the heart, so basketball players would fall forward if they tried to play hockey. We don't see this problem in running backs because they can be short, so their COG is much lower than Eric Decker's. So as I watched replays of Decker avoiding two would-be tacklers, only to fall on his face when he was not touched, I thought it might be possible to have a wide receiver who is too tall.

Do they determine a player's center of gravity at the Combine? This is cutting edge stuff I think.

 

Ex. TC Bozeman, WR, Ringling State:

   Ht: 5-10 (70 in)

   Wt: 190

   COG: 5-1 (61 in)

   Hairstyle: bush growing to dreads

   Shoe size: 18

   Goal other than NFL: circus clown, message board poster

 

 Summary: slow, red-haired with oversized bush; high COG and

     tends to topple, CB's can hear him coming, family wears earplugs

No, the NFL does not measure how high a player's heart is above the floor. They only care about overall height - including hair.

 

Why do you mention red hair? I am a redhead and take offense to any statement about that being a weakness.

Quote:I'm sorry you need help to get in the mood.....I heard that happens to some guys.  I'm always up for a game and ready to go in when my wife says, "lets play".  We don't have to wait for the weekend!

 Its not help, its our pregame ritual.

Quote:When I saw Eric Decker fall on his own after an ugly tackle attempt by San Diego's punter, I remembered when he did the same thing on an offensive play at San Diego in 2012. All I could think was he might be too tall to lean forward when he runs. YOU DON'T WATCH BASKETBALL VERY MUCH , DO YOU?
So when talking about wide receivers, we must consider how high their center of gravity is. I learned during ninth grade science class in males that is the heart, so basketball players would fall forward if they tried to play hockey. I PLAYED BASKETBALL AND A LITTLE HOCKEY.  I FELL A LOT PLAYING HOCKEY, BUT I'M FAIRLY CERTAIN IT WAS BECAUSE I WASN'T A VERY GOOD SKATER
We don't see this problem in running backs because they can be short, so their COG is much lower than Eric Decker's. So as I watched replays of Decker avoiding two would-be tacklers, only to fall on his face when he was not touched, I thought it might be possible to have a wide receiver who is too tall  HASN'T HAPPENED YET
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Quote:No, the NFL does not measure how high a player's heart is above the floor. They only care about overall height - including hair.

 

Why do you mention red hair? I am a redhead and take offense to any statement about that being a weakness.

 

I can't...you don't... I just...just...

 

:blink:

It's cutting edge I tell you.

 

Bozeman, TC doesn't really exist, he was a mythical player I created to try to  illustrate the COG concept. The red hair wasn't meant to offend you JW, I'm not sure why I chose that color.

Wow...15 pages and apparently JW still doesn't understand the extent of her epic mega thread.

Quote:Wow...15 pages and apparently JW still doesn't understand the extent of her epic mega thread.

 

Why do you say that? I read every post on all 15 pages. Honestly I was not expecting it to get this long.

 

Now it is time to go back and look for the answers to my original question because apparently interest died down the last few days.

Quote:Honestly I was not expecting it to get this long.

That's what she said.

Quote:Why do you say that? I read every post on all 15 pages. Honestly I was not expecting it to get this long.

 

Now it is time to go back and look for the answers to my original question because apparently interest died down the last few days.

Bwahahaha!!

These responses clearly explain why a player's overall size does matter:

 

Quote:Being short greatly deters your vision.

 

Quote:I'm not worried about his size affecting his skill. He is good. I am just worried about him being undersized and taking the hits in the NFL. The guys in the NFL are bigger and faster. It would make me nervous every time he gets whacked by a DE or LB.

 

Quote:All joking aside, height or build isn't an indication of future success but if a quarterback is shorter than desirable, the release point is lower and more likely to be batted down at the line as well as (as Arizona showed against Seattle) sending pressure up the middle. The shorter QB will have difficulty seeing the field and throwing a strike without scrambling. For a quarterback's size and build, they ARE more prone to injury due to big hits. For a pocket passer like Bridgewater it isnt that big of a deal but for an undersized running QB like Vick or Manziel, size is a concern.

 

Quote:You are missing his point. A player with a smaller frame and less muscle mass, i.e. a smaller guy, may not be as ready to absorb a blow from an NFL player as much as a person with a larger frame and more muscle mass. This isn't always a fact and there are lots of variables that go into the discussion, but when you select a smaller player, you need to be concerned about how well prepared he is to absorb the punishment of an NFL season.

Quote:Why do you say that? I read every post on all 15 pages. Honestly I was not expecting it to get this long.

 

Now it is time to go back and look for the answers to my original question because apparently interest died down the last few days.

If you read them all you'd reply to this one. But you can't because I'm ignored by you. Along with half the other people that posted in here. So you didn't read ALL of them.

Quote:The NFL typically sets size standards by informal consensus. Most standards are arrived at based on decades and decades worth of experience.

 

I wouldn't want to go into much detail as there are those that seem to hang on every word and phrase imaginable in order to argue about their personal favorite draft prospect.

 

So, let's just say that there are exceptions to norms, but more favorable measureables are desired.

 

Quote:If you can't see over the center, then you can't be forewarned about the incoming penetration.

 

Quote:JW, a tall defensive lineman may lack leverage at the point of attack to a modestly sized offensive lineman. When John Henderson got up there in years this became an issue

 

Quote:Same goes for an offensive lineman. You don't see too many 6'8" guards because the name of the game on the interior line is typically getting underneath the defensive tackles.